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Roach is full of s**t and he is more of a con artist than a trainer. All of his fighters are limited and have carefully chosen opponents to make Roach look like the greatest trainer ever. He even still tries to make his fight predictions (which have been wrong the last 3-4 fights btw). Kayode, Khan, Vanes, JCC and Pac are all put in with opponents that are picked with great precision. All of Roach's fighters are limited (Kayode and JCC are the worst) but with the amazing picks and Pac's catchweight bs in his favor, Roach looks like God. JMM owns Pac from a technical/skill perspective and everyone knows it. In fact, the last threatening opponent Pac faced was JMM. Anyone who is fast and counterpunches can beat Pac, period. That is why Roach makes sure either old, slow, plodding, inactive or weight-drained people get in the ring with him. You will never see Pac in the ring with Floyd, Berto, Ortiz, Bradley, M. Jones, etc. BTW, Pac has been on roids since the David Diaz fight too. Look at the size of his head over the years, its growing like a balloon. One day the truth will all come out about him.Comment
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Pac-fans are just ignorant ***** ****s who dont know **** about boxing.
A catch-weight bout is where two fighters who compete in different divisions meet at middle-ground in order to produce a fairer contest.
Middle-ground is 140, you ignorant clowns.
It is funny-as-*** that pacroid has " conceded " a weight that he has never actually made himself
And this is after Koncz admitted that Manny ducked Marquez for three years, and after Manny admitted that 140 is his best fighting weight.
It is CLEARLY OBVIOUS what is going on, Marquez is getting setup.
It is absolutely impossible for Pacquiao to have dragged Marquez further out of his comfort zone.
There is nothing great about Pacquiao, he is feeding on old men, faded champions, and bums..... and he is either catching them on the down-slide, disadvantaging them on the scale, or manipulating contractual advantages.
Pacquiao is barely hof-worthy.
Had he fought back in the old days when there was only one champion, no catch-weights, under the original divisions, using same-day weigh-ins, he would likely only be a 1-2 division champ, at best.
The last prime champion that Pac fought beat him, and the previous champ who beat Pac wasnt even prime. I dont see nothing there.
There are dozens of great fighters who were very successful going up and fighting as the smaller man..... they did not cherry-pick the easiest champion, fighting old men, manipulating advantages, using catch-weights..... they would fight anyone.
Pacquiao simply will not do that, and according to common-sense, he is likely a steroid cheat as well.
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FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.
FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.
FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.
Pacquiao is a hypejob man, he has tip-toed through the tulips, due to superb match-making, masterful timing, and the manipulation of advantages..... his resume is manufactured.
" a good fighter will look great, if he holds all of the advantages "
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Back in the day, it is highly unlikely that Pac would have won a title at fly or welter. And at fw/lw he would have had to fight the very best, using same-day weigh-in, no catchweights, and no contractual manipulations.
Now, you may insist to me that Pacquiao COULD have done all that ?
My question is, then why the *** didnt he ?
Why is he fighting old men and bums who are mostly coming off losses ?
Why the catch-weights ?
Why the contractual manipulations if he is supposedly a P4P fighter ?
Your " Pac is an ATG " theory, requires a ****load of faith, which is rubbish.
Your theory requires that.....
* Pac could have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Raheem, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best lightweight, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best JWW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Cotto at 147, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten a genuine JMW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mosley when he was #1, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mayweather, even though he did not
* Pac could have tested clean for steroids, even though he did not
Sooooooooooo many " coulds "
Certainly, way too many for a truly great fighter.
Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers.
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This diehard ***** **** just embarrassed KFC yet again. Yes Kentucky Floyd made the fight fair by coming 2 lbs over the limit and honoring the agreed catchweight.
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The ******ed ***** wrote so much but failed big time.
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fraud gayweather is a catchweight fraud...signs a contract for a catchweight against marquez then fawk/ng pays the weight overage with a fawk/ng smile on his fraud face...atleast pac comes in within the catchweight limitComment
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bull**** catch weight
Marquez get on the roids make the weight properly and an even fight.Comment
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Because all we read on here is people defending Pac for doing the obvious. then what pisses me off is that you guys are trying to say what JMM meant to say exactly? JMM said Floyd is great defensive fighter and Manny is hittable because he engages PERIOD. What else did you get from it that you can say what he meant? Switching words and meanings up to make Pac look great is what makes you Pac boys.Comment
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And you think Pac competition was better? WW champion Miguel Cotto at a 145 catchweight AFTER being in a battle with Joshua Clottey WITH a big cut over his eye. Joshua Clottey the LOSER of the Cotto/Clottey fight who has NEVER won a real major fight. Actually I think he is the Top Rank fall guy. Antonio Margarito? Suspended for cheating for a year then comes back fights a nobody at 154, looking ordinary THEN fighting Pac for a vacant 154 title at a 150 catchweight? Shane Mosley, who got a one sided ass kicking from Floyd, then goes on to have a bad draw against Sergio Mora AND THEN Pac fights him BUT prior Arum, Ariza and many others were throwing Mosley under the bus.
Now JMM. A fighter Floyd already showed he wasn't effective at 144 and NOW Pac fights him at the same catchweight, when he knows damn well he could have made 140. Don't see why Pac fans think he is so great. Who has he fought of recent to solidify this? What fighters coming off impressive wins or champions has he beaten on top of their game?Last edited by GRUSTLER; 09-11-2011, 06:12 AM.Comment
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cry-baby boy marquez is looking for an excuse this early...
i expect him to cry for another fight after the third...
at 140lbs...Comment
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Where have you been I'm in love with this post. May I ask it out. I'll leave my woman & my family for this post. This is easily post of the year so far. My goodness. If anyone reads this out loud, there is no way that this argument leaves you flabbergasted, maybe even feeling ******, if you indeed call Pacman such a great fighter, real ****ing talk!!!!!!!!!!!!Pac-fans are just ignorant ***** ****s who dont know **** about boxing.
A catch-weight bout is where two fighters who compete in different divisions meet at middle-ground in order to produce a fairer contest.
Middle-ground is 140, you ignorant clowns.
It is funny-as-*** that pacroid has " conceded " a weight that he has never actually made himself
And this is after Koncz admitted that Manny ducked Marquez for three years, and after Manny admitted that 140 is his best fighting weight.
It is CLEARLY OBVIOUS what is going on, Marquez is getting setup.
It is absolutely impossible for Pacquiao to have dragged Marquez further out of his comfort zone.
There is nothing great about Pacquiao, he is feeding on old men, faded champions, and bums..... and he is either catching them on the down-slide, disadvantaging them on the scale, or manipulating contractual advantages.
Pacquiao is barely hof-worthy.
Had he fought back in the old days when there was only one champion, no catch-weights, under the original divisions, using same-day weigh-ins, he would likely only be a 1-2 division champ, at best.
The last prime champion that Pac fought beat him, and the previous champ who beat Pac wasnt even prime. I dont see nothing there.
There are dozens of great fighters who were very successful going up and fighting as the smaller man..... they did not cherry-pick the easiest champion, fighting old men, manipulating advantages, using catch-weights..... they would fight anyone.
Pacquiao simply will not do that, and according to common-sense, he is likely a steroid cheat as well.
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FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.
FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.
FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.
Pacquiao is a hypejob man, he has tip-toed through the tulips, due to superb match-making, masterful timing, and the manipulation of advantages..... his resume is manufactured.
" a good fighter will look great, if he holds all of the advantages "
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Back in the day, it is highly unlikely that Pac would have won a title at fly or welter. And at fw/lw he would have had to fight the very best, using same-day weigh-in, no catchweights, and no contractual manipulations.
Now, you may insist to me that Pacquiao COULD have done all that ?
My question is, then why the *** didnt he ?
Why is he fighting old men and bums who are mostly coming off losses ?
Why the catch-weights ?
Why the contractual manipulations if he is supposedly a P4P fighter ?
Your " Pac is an ATG " theory, requires a ****load of faith, which is rubbish.
Your theory requires that.....
* Pac could have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Raheem, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best lightweight, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best JWW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Cotto at 147, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten a genuine JMW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mosley when he was #1, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mayweather, even though he did not
* Pac could have tested clean for steroids, even though he did not
Sooooooooooo many " coulds "
Certainly, way too many for a truly great fighter.
Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers.
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