Comments Thread For: Mayweather on Facing Pacquiao, The Lawsuit, Testing

[The Big Dunn]

The one that said, show me where I tested positive for PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS in the past? That one. Just keep drinking the kool aid, and you'll still here the same old answer to your question.

In all seriousnees, is not testing positive in the past enough for you given the circumstantial evidence, the same evidence thats been used to accusse other athletes in major pro and college sports?

[Someone88]

Yes you can speculate about Pacquiao's ability to go through weights, but pretty much everything else I disagree with. Most fighters and athletes for that matter peak between the ages of 27-32, that is not for everybody, but a general rule of thumb so I have no idea what you are talking about. Bernard Hopkins as an example was a very late starter, and probably peaked in his mid 30's. I agree that pacquiao has fought more 'plodders' as you call them since he has moved up in weight, but Marquez is hardly swift of foot, that is not his style he utilises angles and subtle movement. He is a skillful fighter yes, pound for pound arguably the best fighter pac has fought, but I personally think Cotto at a higher weight was potentially just as tough a fight, cotto is also a skillful fighter, maybe not quite the level of Marquez, but the size difference you would think would bridge that gap, thing is Pacquiao was a better fighter when he fought Cotto, if you look at both fights, I personally can see big improvements and if your unbiased so will you.


As pacquiao has moved up in weight, he has stopped lunging in as much and his timing and angles have improved because he was forced to make this change, he and Roach knew if he lunged in from too far out like he did in the lower weights he could be knocked out, his respect of these bigger fighters power had made him into a more patient and better fighter. He has improved his right hand and has become a much better body puncher, the placement of his punches are better, and he thinks much more about the shots coming back his way defensively, and has developed some nice counters, in particular a right counter hook, utilised against Hatton, and uppercut utilised agaisnt cotto. These little improvements have made him overall a much, much better fighter, if you study him like I have you will see it.

I guess the marquez fight will reveal more, and I think many people will finally see the improvement in Pacquiao's technique. Ultimately though it will only be when Pac agrees to random testing and fights floyd that this whole thing will rest.

Great post.

[Stl_Buay]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6936092

Now the new excuse will be his English isn't good..... Like I've been posting for a year TESTING IS NOT AN ISSUE!!!! Many agreed to the test 15 months ago. Only Floyd and his crew of flunkies hold on to this testing excuse like Floyd holds on to his babies' momma hair while beating her for talking on the phone and threating his kids... Did he think Pacquiao was the other guy on the phone????

[The Big Dunn]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6936092

Now the new excuse will be his English isn't good..... Like I've been posting for a year TESTING IS NOT AN ISSUE!!!! Many agreed to the test 15 months ago. Only Floyd and his crew of flunkies hold on to this testing excuse like Floyd holds on to his babies' momma hair while beating her for talking on the phone and threating his kids... Did he think Pacquiao was the other guy on the phone????

Did manny say he agreed to random OST without a cutoff or did he say there are no more issues with testing? Do you think these are the same thing?

[boxingfan76]

A an American Coward and a ****** at that ,thats Mayweather.I truly cant stand pacroid and his garbage fights but at least he fights and I truly cant stand pacs fervent followers because they dont know crap about boxing and are the most hardheaded and arrogant and misinformed fans.Personally after the first 24-7 for this fight I hope ortiz finds a way and knocks mayweather out cold and humiliates him. I personally dont think mayweather hits as hard as berto ,hopefully it wont be hard enough to keep ortis off him. Burn loser!

[Someone88]

Wonder how long it's going to take for this thread to reach 30+ pages. That's the power of Floyd's comments when it concerns Pac. But he is right. Instead of taking the test Pac would rather take him to court.

And before someone says "Oh but Pac is willing to take the test!" Then why the hell is he still trying to take Floyd to court. For damages? What damage? Pac is in commercials, he's on talk shows, he sings, he's a congressman, doesn't he have his own brand of shoe? I mean does that sound like a guy who's been slandered and has been damaged? Sounds like he's never been more on top of the world than he is today.

Another thing these Floyd haters bring up. How dare Floyd compares himself to Ali. Look, I understand that NOW Ali is a beloved figure in the boxing world. But back in the late 60's and early 70's Ali had a huge share of haters. People that really wanted him to lose so ****ing bad. Calling him a draft dodger and a coward. Floyd might not have to go fight in a war but damn. I don't think I've ever seen a boxer get more hated on. When Floyd finally does fight Pac and he wins a lot of you guys are going to kill yourselves.

Mayweather ruined his argument again with that comment about Pacquiao not being a great fighter before he was 25, he was a great fighter before that and has become even better. Don't compare Mayweather and Ali, he isn't anywhere near as charismatic and funny as Ali was. Also it's easy to make bold predictions but Mayweather knows Pacquiao is an amazing fighter who can beat him.

[ihatebobarum]

6 pages and counting. The battle rages on between the *******s and *****s lool. What are you guys gonna talk about after the fight is done.

[Paranormal]

Here's the thing. In the Oscar fight Manny used his speed and movement to evade the bigger Oscar and didn't engage him once. Against Cotto, Pac was letting Cotto **** on him and went toe to toe with Cotto. Pac wasn't that strong at 130 or 135 when he was fighting but after Oscar he became a lil guy backing down bigger dudes? I don't know if Pac is juicing or not but he is definitely acting like a guilty guy. If Manny is clean, then he should have no reason to avoid taking the tests. How can you sue someone for asking you to take a test because you are clean but won't take the tests to prove that you are clean? If I was Floyd I wouldn't go to court for that charge either.

Because demanding a test and accusing Pac of PEDS are two different things. Floyd could have demanded OSDT and not accused Pac. Floyd should have kept the testing issue in the table until whatever agreement is reached. But Floyd, during the height of the negotiations called a large press conference, went ballistic,and accused Manny of PEDS. Oscar, Richard, Roger, Sr., and the rest of the press followed. To control damage Manny filed the lawsuit.

I totally disagree with you that the fight did not happen because Manny refused OSDT. Manny agreed to OSDT but the disagreement was on the cut-off period. Both Manny and Floyd agreed that there must be a cut-off. Manny wanted 24 days but Floyd wanted 14. Neither side won't budge. With the deadlock and March 13 set date approaching Bob cancelled fight and choose Clottey.

On the second negotiation, Manny agreed to 14 days but Floyd moved it to 7. When Manny agreed to 7 days Floyd then moved it farther to fight night. When Manny agreed again, FLoyd went to vacation to spend time with his family and not thinking about boxing at all. Then he said there was no negotiations. But unfortunately, Ross exposed his lies. Now, who do you think should be blamed for the fight not happening.

[Stl_Buay]

Did manny say he agreed to random OST without a cutoff or did he say there are no more issues with testing? Do you think these are the same thing?

He said on numerous ocasions that he agreed to Floyd's terms. In plain english it means YES!!!! Just to teach you how common English works if I know your demands and I say OK, that's no longer an issue, that means I agreed to your demands. If not, than there will still be an issue right??? Let it go this hasn't been an issue for a while and never was. Plenty of fighters and other athletes have tested positve with SAC test and plenty of people like Marion Jones passed Olympic Testing while on PEDs.

The only issue is how long Floyd can con his fans. He doesn't want to fight a fast, quick, powerful, left-hander, with stanima, heart, foot-work, and chin... His style is made to order for Manny and he knows it. I think the Mayweathers are ignorant but they do know their boxing and that's why this fight will only take place if Floyd's accounts says it has to take place or his fans demand so. As long as his fans will pay to see him fight a guy at 146 who NEVER fought above 135 or an aging fighter coming off a full training camp for the canceled Berto fight and a 16 month lay off or a guy who is most known for quitting in a fight when the going got tough and bounced back by beating another unproven fighter....

[The Big Dunn]

Because demanding a test and accusing Pac of PEDS are two different things. Floyd could have demanded OSDT and not accused Pac. Floyd should have kept the testing issue in the table until whatever agreement is reached. But Floyd, during the height of the negotiations called a large press conference, went ballistic,and accused Manny of PEDS. Oscar, Richard, Roger, Sr., and the rest of the press followed. To control damage Manny filed the lawsuit.

I totally disagree with you that the fight did not happen because Manny refused OSDT. Manny agreed to OSDT but the disagreement was on the cut-off period. Both Manny and Floyd agreed that there must be a cut-off. Manny wanted 24 days but Floyd wanted 14. Neither side won't budge. With the deadlock and March 13 set date approaching Bob cancelled fight and choose Clottey.

On the second negotiation, Manny agreed to 14 days but Floyd moved it to 7. When Manny agreed to 7 days Floyd then moved it farther to fight night. When Manny agreed again, FLoyd went to vacation to spend time with his family and not thinking about boxing at all. Then he said there was no negotiations. But unfortunately, Ross exposed his lies. Now, who do you think should be blamed for the fight not happening.

Regarding last paragraph, floyd made it clear after the Mosley fight that it was 0 days or no fight. Manny refused floyd's compromise offer so floyd took it off the table. If you were in floyd's place you would have done the same.