Comments Thread For: Ortiz: Mayweather Never Impressed Me, A lot of Hype!

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Name one undefeated fighter that Pacquiao has beat in his entire career?
Everybody that Pacquiao has faced already was either knocked out or lost fights.

Mayweather beat two prime undefeated fighters.(Corrales,Hatton)

Thats not a spin, it's a fact.

Barrera: Lost twice and Knocked out by Junior jones before Pacquiao fought him. Also lost to Marquez before the rematch with Pacquiao.

Morales: Lost to Barrera and then Pacquiao fought him. Lost To Raheem after beating Pacquiao the first time and then Pacquiao did the rematch.

Marquez: Lost to Norwood before Pacquiao fought him. Lost to Chris John before Pacquiao did the rematch. Lost to Mayweather before this third fight they are about to have..

Diaz: Knocked out by Kendall Holt before Pacquiao fought him.

Delahoya: Lost to Mayweather, Mosley, Hopkins, before Pacquiao beat him.

Hatton: Knocked out by Mayweather before Pacquiao fought him.

Cotto: Knocked out by Margarito before Pacquiao fought him.

Clottey: Lost to Baldomir, Margarito, and Cotto before Pacquiao fought him.

Margarito: Knocked out by Mosley and lost to Williams before Pacquiao fought him.

Mosley: Lost to Forrest twice, Wright twice, Cotto, and Mayweather before Pacquiao fought him.


My point is if Mayweather can't get any credit then Pacquiao shouldn't get credit either.

You have highlighted the EXACT problem.

Double-standards.

Pacquiao fans hold extremely low standards for Manny.

Which is why none of them question Pac over his OSDT refusal?

Which is why none of them questioned why he never re-matched Marquez?

Which is why none of them questioned why he picked Diaz?

Which is why non of them questioned the catch-weight for Cotto?

Which is why none of them questioned the legitimacy of Clottey?

Which is why none of them questioned the performance of Clottey?

Which is why none of them questioned the legitimacy of Margarito?

Which is why none of them questioned the legitimacy of Manny's JMW title?

Which is why none of them questioned the legitimacy of Mosley?

Which is why none of them questioned why Manny turned Mosley down back when Shane was the #1 welter?

Which is why none of them questioned the legitimacy of Marquez at welter?

So many questions that a legitimate boxing fan would ask, and yet Pacquiao fans just accept.

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Name one undefeated fighter that Pacquiao has beat in his entire career?
Everybody that Pacquiao has faced already was either knocked out or lost fights.

Mayweather beat two prime undefeated fighters.(Corrales,Hatton)

Thats not a spin, it's a fact.

Barrera: Lost twice and Knocked out by Junior jones before Pacquiao fought him. Also lost to Marquez before the rematch with Pacquiao.

Morales: Lost to Barrera and then Pacquiao fought him. Lost To Raheem after beating Pacquiao the first time and then Pacquiao did the rematch.

Marquez: Lost to Norwood before Pacquiao fought him. Lost to Chris John before Pacquiao did the rematch. Lost to Mayweather before this third fight they are about to have..

Diaz: Knocked out by Kendall Holt before Pacquiao fought him.

Delahoya: Lost to Mayweather, Mosley, Hopkins, before Pacquiao beat him.

Hatton: Knocked out by Mayweather before Pacquiao fought him.

Cotto: Knocked out by Margarito before Pacquiao fought him.

Clottey: Lost to Baldomir, Margarito, and Cotto before Pacquiao fought him.

Margarito: Knocked out by Mosley and lost to Williams before Pacquiao fought him.

Mosley: Lost to Forrest twice, Wright twice, Cotto, and Mayweather before Pacquiao fought him.


My point is if Mayweather can't get any credit then Pacquiao shouldn't get credit either.

You didn't answer the QUESTION !!!!!

SPIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer is : Jr. Has NEVER fought a top prime welter weight contender ,,,,EVER !!!!!!!!!!!

If Mayweather at welterweight would have gone up to fight say Martinez it would be a whole different ballgame !

PAC went up past the OZONE and fought huge men.

Second: You won't like this but who was in the WW's FIRST , was it JR. or was it Pac ????? Answer is JR !!!!!!

JR. had a perfect place to call out Cotto before he fought Margo when he had just defeated a small man named Hatton. What did he do,,,, he retired , hahahahaha,,,,,,

The reason Jr. has kept his """"""""""0"""""""""" is simply because he ducked competent competition like Cotto Margo and now Pacman .

Pac went up in weight and fights the bigger men

Jr. went up in weight to fight the smaller men

YOU are the SPIN POSTER !!!!!!

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You didn't answer the QUESTION !!!!!

SPIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer is : Jr. Has NEVER fought a top prime welter weight contender ,,,,EVER !!!!!!!!!!!

If Mayweather at welterweight would have gone up to fight say Martinez it would be a whole different ballgame !

PAC went up past the OZONE and fought huge men.

Second: You won't like this but who was in the WW's FIRST , was it JR. or was it Pac ????? Answer is JR !!!!!!

JR. had a perfect place to call out Cotto before he fought Margo when he had just defeated a small man named Hatton. What did he do,,,, he retired , hahahahaha,,,,,,

The reason Jr. has kept his """"""""""0"""""""""" is simply because he ducked competent competition like Cotto Margo and now Pacman .

Pac went up in weight and fights the bigger men

Jr. went up in weight to fight the smaller men

YOU are the SPIN POSTER !!!!!!

What was Mosley when Mayweather fought him? Just answer the question in terms of ranking and WW belts held. That's all that's needed, thanks.

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What was Mosley when Mayweather fought him? Just answer the question in terms of ranking and WW belts held. That's all that's needed, thanks.

NO !!

That is not " all that's needed ".

After he has answered your question, he can answer three more.

1.) Explain why Pacquiao ducked Mosley TWICE, back when Shane was ranked the #1 welter?

2.) Explain why Pacquiao would only agree to fight Mosley once the ENTIRE WORLD could see that Shane was shot and could no longer pull the trigger?

3.) Explain why Mayweather is currently preparing to fight his third consecutive opponent that Pac had already ducked?

[Mr. Philadel]

@ Vic...stilly my boy though...but c'mon son!!!...smh

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What was Mosley when Mayweather fought him? Just answer the question in terms of ranking and WW belts held. That's all that's needed, thanks.

You shut him down.

[Shogunofharlem1]

And don't forget Zab Judah knocked him on his ass. And won all the early rounds and the 12 round.

Zab "my balls are next to my belly button" Judah.

Judah in his hey day also had the speed and elusiveness to match floyd. Ortiz is too slow and easy to hit. It will be like the baldomir fight or worse the gatti fight if floyd feels he can hit him at will.

[Stl_Buay]

fyi all SAC accept and honor each others rules. pac and arum went to texas because arum has a lot of political pull and could get the banned fighter a match. the point is still NSAC suspended tony. so pac/arum should have honored NSAC and not fought tony. and go back pac blamed the morales fight on the gloves not on blood. and the blood wasnt drawn on the day of the fight. and what good is a blood draw 20days before the match?????? you could cycle a ped and have a clean system in time for the urine test. thus making post fight urine test useless. do YOU understand????? when did pac agree to everthing????? they say it on tv but never sign a contract stipulating it. stop protecting this dude. tell him to take the test. oh your afraid he is dirty. do you understand???? be a real boxing fan and you will understand!!!!

First, it was the CSAC not the NSAC, Margarito vs. Mosley was at the Staples Center you know where the Lakers play in L.A. The glove issue was mentioned before, after, and during the match and rematch. The blood draw issue came up as to why Pac didn't want to do blood draws close to the fight but yet immediately afterwards in the lockeroom, it was never used as an excuse for the Morales fight nor did I suggest it was used by the Pac Camp. I only go by verifiable FACTS so I can't make up stories like you. You can't even get the state correct that Margarito was suspended in. That lets me know you are just talking **** and don't know what you are talking about!!! Who does this *** Arum have political power over in Christian Right Wing Texas??? Give me a name to support your claim?? States Never 100% comply with another states ruling... Even going back to when Ali was being white balled in the 60's. This was such a big deal that nobody reported that the TSAC was breaking the rules that only exist in your mind dude. Cycling is exactly why the PED test is bull****!!! Since May of 2010 Manny has agreed to ALL of Mayweather's demands PERIOD!!!! Hince the slience and saying that Greenburg at HBO was lying about the negociations when he has no reason too, and then when all else fails, beating the baby momma and making racist ****phobic web videos... The TEST has been off the table since MAY 2010. PEDs must be in your system to work. Meaning if he was able to be tested 21 days before the fight that meant no PEDs until 20 days out. So that would only leave two weeks of PEDs use that would not leave a hint of use in urine and hair samples which he agreed to at the time. I said 2 weeks because he agreed to take a test right after the fight, so he would need one week to clean up. Name any expert that thinks two weeks of PED use at the end of a training camp will make a difference or even be useful??? BTW the same test that Floyd wanted was the test that failed to catch Marion Jones!!!! LOL you guys can't be serious! It's a none issue Manny agreed to the test that Mayweather never asked for in his 1st 40 fights. Cleaning up the sport my ass. He doesn't even make his fighters under Mayweather Promotions opponents take the test. The least he can do is protect his own fighters if it REALLY was an issue... You like to make **** up and verifiable FACTS are not important to you so it's pointless to continue our convo, just remember Margs was suspended by the CSAC not the NSAC. Take Care Bro.

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First, it was the CSAC not the NSAC, Margarito vs. Mosley was at the Staples Center you know where the Lakers play in L.A. The glove issue was mentioned before, after, and during the match and rematch. The blood draw issue came up as to why Pac didn't want to do blood draws close to the fight but yet immediately afterwards in the lockeroom, it was never used as an excuse for the Morales fight nor did I suggest it was used by the Pac Camp. I only go by verifiable FACTS so I can't make up stories like you. You can't even get the state correct that Margarito was suspended in. That lets me know you are just talking **** and don't know what you are talking about!!! Who does this *** Arum have political power over in Christian Right Wing Texas??? Give me a name to support your claim?? States Never 100% comply with another states ruling... Even going back to when Ali was being white balled in the 60's. This was such a big deal that nobody reported that the TSAC was breaking the rules that only exist in your mind dude. Cycling is exactly why the PED test is bull****!!! Since May of 2010 Manny has agreed to ALL of Mayweather's demands PERIOD!!!! Hince the slience and saying that Greenburg at HBO was lying about the negociations when he has no reason too, and then when all else fails, beating the baby momma and making racist ****phobic web videos... The TEST has been off the table since MAY 2010. PEDs must be in your system to work. Meaning if he was able to be tested 21 days before the fight that meant no PEDs until 20 days out. So that would only leave two weeks of PEDs use that would not leave a hint of use in urine and hair samples which he agreed to at the time. I said 2 weeks because he agreed to take a test right after the fight, so he would need one week to clean up. Name any expert that thinks two weeks of PED use at the end of a training camp will make a difference or even be useful??? BTW the same test that Floyd wanted was the test that failed to catch Marion Jones!!!! LOL you guys can't be serious! It's a none issue Manny agreed to the test that Mayweather never asked for in his 1st 40 fights. Cleaning up the sport my ass. He doesn't even make his fighters under Mayweather Promotions opponents take the test. The least he can do is protect his own fighters if it REALLY was an issue... You like to make **** up and verifiable FACTS are not important to you so it's pointless to continue our convo, just remember Margs was suspended by the CSAC not the NSAC. Take Care Bro.

" PEDs must be in your system to work ".

Rubbish, the benefits will remain in your system after the PED's have been flushed, which is why Pacquiao will not agree to random blood tests.

[Stl_Buay]

" PEDs must be in your system to work ".

Rubbish, the benefits will remain in your system after the PED's have been flushed, which is why Pacquiao will not agree to random blood tests.

No disrespect but that is some dumb ****!!!! If the testing is only scheduled during camp why do people get caught? Remember people get caught all the time before and since Mayweather's BS!! Vargas and Toney to name a few.. Why doesn't everyone load up on PEDs and then sign to fight or stop 9 weeks out????? TESTING IS NOT AN ISSUE MANNY AGREED IN MAY OF 2010If its such a big deal, why didn't Floyd ask for it for 40 fights. I'll tell you why because he knows he'll get his a$$ kicked!!! Jesse Vargas and no other Mayweather Promotion fighters get the same protection... BS + BS - BS = BS!!!! If Manny is such a midget and easy to beat why cry for NEW RULES??? I'll whup my nephew's a$$ and for 50 mil, I wouldn't ask for a test like the other 40 times because I know I'll whup his a$$. But, if I ask for a test that I never asked for before. One can believe that I know I can't win and I think that my nephew is so good that when I see him fight that I think he is on something and I know I can't win. Manny said and I quote "I'll take ANY test the COMMISSION ask for." Only a ***** can find a problem with that statement....