Lou DiBELLA Sides With Dana WHITE Against Bob ARUM

[King Ghidorah]

I somewhat agree, Don King and Bob Arum have set boxing back 40 years. All they have done is become millionaires on the backs of fighters and once they start losing they throw em out and find new ones. They are very rich but put nothing into the sport, they would rather screw a fighter out of $50k than to give him $5000

But UFC isnt the answer, its a monopoly and Dana White is no better. If he doesnt like you then he cuts you and you cant fight anywhere else since UFC owns the next biggest competitor.

So he gives special treatment to his friends, so its either UFC or some local MMA org making $1000 a fight.

I dont like MMA because

1) ******ed judging where you can get hit in the face for 4 minutes but take a person down and lie on top and win the round. Wrestlers taking people down, lying on top doing 0 damage and winning the fight.

2) Bad Refs, almost all the fights that are stopped are stopped WAY too early.

3) Bad Judging

4) UFC Monopoly.

1) ******ed judging where you can get hit in the face for 4 minutes but take a person down and lie on top and win the round. Wrestlers taking people down, lying on top doing 0 damage and winning the fight.

2) Bad Refs, almost all the fights that are stopped are stopped WAY too early.

3) Bad Judging

4) UFC Monopoly.

5) Lay & Prayers, Wall & Stallers, Runners....




I miss PRIDE they fixed majority of these issues with Yellow Cards (deductign 10% of your purse for stalling or running), Japanese Judging System (Who does more damage and who is more effective with their offense), and the Ring favors Mixed Martial Artist and not one dimensional Wrestlers......

[The Big Dunn]

Boxing promoter DiBella firmly in White's corner

August, 24, 2011
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Lou DiBella feels defensive-minded boxers are doing more damage to the sport than the UFC.

While Bob Arum takes issue with the way Dana White does business, not every boxing promoter disagrees with the UFC president’s decision-making policies.

Shortly after UFC announced that it had inked a major network television deal, Arum made his opinion about the mixed martial arts promotion known to ESPN.com. And it wasn’t very favorable.

The signing of a network deal wasn’t what got Arum’s juices flowing, but that UFC is televising a card on Nov. 12. That’s the same night Arum has WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao defending his title against Juan Manuel Marquez on HBO pay-per-view.

“There is no competition,” Arum told ESPN.com. “If Fox was to put on a top movie that night, it might be more competition. If Fox put on Manchester United that night, it would be more competition.”


It made no difference to Arum that the UFC card will end before Pacquiao and Marquez enter the ring.

Upon learning of Arum’s comments White responded immediately and harshly.

“Bob Arum had the ability to do great things for the sport of boxing,” White told Yahoo! Sports. “You had the ability, Bob Arum, to make boxing great.

“But the problem was you were greedy. You’re a greedy pig, just like all the other guys who were involved in boxing. All you ever did was try to rip money out of it. You never invested a dime into the sport of boxing to make it great, to make it last, to create a future for boxing. He’s nothing but a greedy pig and his jealousy shows non-stop.”

White and Arum have had verbal sparring sessions for some time. Usually, each man could count on getting strong support from individuals in his respective sport, but not anymore.

Boxing promoter Lou DiBella is solidly in White’s corner this time. A former boxing executive at HBO, DiBella knows the sport inside and out, and no one is more upset with the state of boxing than he is.

“I agree with a lot of what [Dana White] said,” DiBella told ESPN.com. “There’s no question that when Don [King] and Bob [Arum] dominated this business for literally generations, that not a lot was invested back in the business. Frankly, Bob Arum admitted as much at his Hall of Fame induction. And the sport is in worse condition today than it’s ever been.

“I don’t believe there is any intentional counter-programming by the UFC. What are they going to do, go against a World Series game that includes the Yankees?

“I’m not out there hating on [UFC]; I don’t think they’re trying to hurt boxing.”

The damage boxing currently experiences, for the most part, is self-inflicted, according to DiBella.

He says too many high-profile boxers are unwilling to stand in the pocket and fight. Their failure to engage is a huge turnoff for today’s young (18- to 34-year-old) fans, who crave nonstop action.

“If a guy fights in retreat, Dana’s not putting him on again,” DiBella said. “He has an advantage because [UFC] is a monopoly. But that aside, you have to know what people find entertaining. If you move backward, and I don’t care if a writer says he’s a good fighter, the public doesn’t want to see him.

“Boxing has lost sight of the fact that it’s a subset of the entertainment business. And Dana has not forgotten that.”

Like many longtime boxing insiders, DiBella once found it difficult to watch a mixed martial arts bout. Boxing is deeply embedded in his soul, and nothing will change that.

But he no longer looks at MMA with disdain. Like many boxing aficionados, DiBella now enjoys watching mixed martial artists display their skills, and he credits UFC with changing his opinion.

“I had not been a big fan of MMA,” DiBella said. “But I now understand it more as a sport, and respect how the UFC is conducting their business. I’m impressed.”

HBO, ESPN and other networks I wish had filled the void and made boxing a league or organization in a way that produced the best fights.

[Gino Ros]

But UFC isnt the answer, its a monopoly and Dana White is no better. If he doesnt like you then he cuts you and you cant fight anywhere else since UFC owns the next biggest competitor.


4) UFC Monopoly.

With all due respect, how is that unlike the NFL? Or NBA?

The only difference is that another team within that league can pick you up. But most of the times, if you have been sullied by the league, they won't.

BTW, I like this version of Medved much more than the Brown-Shirt Medved.

[Medved]

1) ******ed judging where you can get hit in the face for 4 minutes but take a person down and lie on top and win the round. Wrestlers taking people down, lying on top doing 0 damage and winning the fight.

2) Bad Refs, almost all the fights that are stopped are stopped WAY too early.

3) Bad Judging

4) UFC Monopoly.

5) Lay & Prayers, Wall & Stallers, Runners....




I miss PRIDE they fixed majority of these issues with Yellow Cards (deductign 10% of your purse for stalling or running), Japanese Judging System (Who does more damage and who is more effective with their offense), and the Ring favors Mixed Martial Artist and not one dimensional Wrestlers......

Me too, dont forget about the foot stomps, crazy suplexes (Randleman - Fedor), knees to grounded opponents, crazy elbows, great atmosphere, and if you tried to stall beside the ropes those funny little japanese dudes would push you or slap your hand so you dont hold.

Plus all the circus acts like Zulu,Butterbean, Sapp, 7foot korean.

PRIDE was the pinnacle of MMA for me, Cro-Cop, Prime Fedor, Randleman, Nog, Barnett, even Sapp, prime Shogun, Kharatanov, Kubayashi (forgot his name ATG japanese dude).

You were stalling? 10% purse deduction.

Plus they had great tourneys where people fought on same night, they really put on a show with all the entrances and all the work they put into it.

UFC is just a poor attempt, there's no viewing pleasure, same crappy stadiums, no pyro techniques, poor entrances, no tourneys, lay and pray and push up to wall and hold on for dear life and hope for a victory.


I prefer Boxing > K-1 > MMA

K1 is still amazing but they have toned it down since you cant do a 2 handed grip on opponents neck anymore, only 1 handed. But still has great fights and tourneys with their World Grand Prix being one of the best shows out there even passing Boxing or UFC

[The Big Dunn]

With all due respect, how is that unlike the NFL? Or NBA?

The only difference is that another team within that league can pick you up. But most of the times, if you have been sullied by the league, they won't.

BTW, I like this version of Medved much more than the Brown-Shirt Medved.

UFC is an independent company. The NBA and NFL are not.

[Medved]

With all due respect, how is that unlike the NFL? Or NBA?

The only difference is that another team within that league can pick you up. But most of the times, if you have been sullied by the league, they won't.

BTW, I like this version of Medved much more than the Brown-Shirt Medved.

The diffirence is if you get into a fight with your team they drop you and you can find a new one.

If you piss off Dana you are done, look at Paul Daily, cut cuz he punches that twat after the bell and Dana got all mad and instantly banned him.

In NFL its very rare for a person to get banned, look at Vick, Burris, etc. They just fine you and you are free to go to a new team, not with the UFC.

its a Dictatorship plain and simple, plus for new fighters you sign away your image for LIFE for peanuts, they can use your image in any way they want including video-games long after you leave the UFC.

[King Ghidorah]

The diffirence is if you get into a fight with your team they drop you and you can find a new one.

If you piss off Dana you are done, look at Paul Daily, cut cuz he punches that twat after the bell and Dana got all mad and instantly banned him.

In NFL its very rare for a person to get banned, look at Vick, Burris, etc. They just fine you and you are free to go to a new team, not with the UFC.

its a Dictatorship plain and simple, plus for new fighters you sign away your image for LIFE for peanuts, they can use your image in any way they want including video-games long after you leave the UFC.

Thats the bull**** the UFC has on the sport......


You can erase the whole history of the sport and brainwash people to thinking this is all there is ....

[snoopymiller]

I deal with contacts in the business, and they tell a very divergent story between boxing and MMA (specifically, UFC).

The retail (restaurants, bars, strip clubs, etc) outlets know many months in advance when the UFC dates are. What are we, on UFC 135 or some ****? I betcha that they have UFC 140 slated - date and location.

That allows the field outlets to plan everything: advertising, promotion, staffing, security, food, bar stocking, etc.

PLUS, the UFC is a PARTNER. When Joe Hand sells them the license for the night, they also get all kinds of trinkets and trash that gets fans engaged.

I went to a UFC PPV event at a Champp's Americana. They had "UFC girls" at the door in baby t-shirts. You paid your five bucks a head, and you got a "ticket" that had the fighters' photos on it. They had a raffle and giveaways for UFC stuff. A table was set up with literature and fighter's photos, etc.

Boxing does NONE of that. They just roll out the PPV like "here, buy this".

UFC pays their fighters less. True. Because they are investing back into the business. Marketing isn't free.

I wonder if any boxing fans will take note of this very important and vastly overlooked factor when it comes the UFC/boxing payscale argument. Either boxing fans are too naiive when it comes to business or are just plain blind.

[rudyyr]

Bob Arum pays his fighters 10x more than what Dana White pays his.

If you want to see fighters get ripped off financially, look at MMA.

They give their top dogs $250,000 - 500,000 a fight. Come on man.

Bob Arum's fighters wipe their butt with that.

I think thats part of the problem, have you looked at how much undercard fighters make? it aint much either. Are there any kind of benefits(health insurance etc..??)unless you are a commodity in the sport of boxing then you are covered. The basic point is this, UFC does a whole lot more for their sport than boxing is doing today. All of thes boxing promoters are in it for the money, that is obvious, but come on, put on a good card for the $50 they charge for PPV events. I dont like spending my hard earned money subscribing to HBO to see alexander-bradley ..oh yeah and definitely not spending the $$ to see mosely run around the ring against pacquiao. You can pick apart both sports with ease. I am a huge boxing fan, but this petty bull**** with GoldenBoy and Top rank for a while was killing good fights..Gotta give credit where credit is due UFC is doing a good job of marketing their product..go to your local bar and see for yourself..

[cupocity303]

*** the UFC. Less freedoms for the fighters.

MMA fighters who hold a UFC World Title can't leave the company UNTIL THEY LOSE THE BELT in the ring.

They don't want champions to leave the UFC while still on top. In other words, if a UFC Champion was unhappy and wanted to leave, he would either have to take a dive on purpose or retire.

Nevermind how they threaten and dictate things to Fighters who aren't even in the UFC. That if they do this or that, UFC will never resign them again in the future.