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  • Castillo-Corrales - "What's All The Fuzz About?"

    Since the fight between WBO/WBC lightweight champion Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo was fought, I have read what seem to be countless boxing reports of the fight by countless boxing writers. They all seem to be in unison in what have they have to say, that Diego Corrales got screwed because Jose Luis Castillo missed making the lightweight limit by two ˝ or three pounds depending on which report you read.

    I would now like to throw my two cents in, my comments will be strictly my own; my overall observation of the oldest sport began to take fruit when I was a mere lad of nine, that’s when my oldest brother Phil took me to the old Main St.Gym.

    I put on my first pair of gloves at that age, boxing totally consumed me, I lived to be a fighter…I ate, slept and dreamt of boxing. I learned my craft well under the watchful eye of the great, legendary old trainer Duke Hollaway; he trained my brother Phil who would later fight the greatest bantamweight champion ever, Manuel Ortiz, not once, but twice. Many, many years later with my fighting days well behind me and now as co-owner of the gym of my youth, I would become a trainer and a boxing manager.

    With that said, I will begin.

    First off, a champion defending his title has to make the required weight in order to defend his crown, if not, he can lose or be stripped of his belt or belts at the scale. Even if the champ blows it at the scales, they can still fight if both parties agree to it, in this case due to the fact that it was the challenger who could not make the required weight, the Corrales camp still chose to go ahead with the fight, which would now be billed as an "Extra Attraction Bout." In days gone by, these fights were billed as "over the weight fights." The way some writers have alluded to, you would have thought that Diego was David facing Goliath…it was only three pounds! [details]

  • #2
    good article. i see where ortiz is coming from.

    but wonder why he didn't mention that castillo didnt have to pay the $72,000 sanctioning fee's since it wasnt for the wbc belt.so that sort of offset the $120,000 fine. plus he won the $100,000 side bet he had with shaw. he made out alright.

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    • #3
      Johnny Ortiz is a Boxing genious and I agree with him...great article


      Does that make me a genious?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by marvdave
        Johnny Ortiz is a Boxing genious and I agree with him...great article


        Does that make me a genious?
        lol, of course NOT! Good try though dave..
        However, I think it's a good article too, which does make me a genius
        Last edited by tracylee; 10-16-2005, 12:39 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tracylee
          lol, of course NOT! Good try though dave..
          However, I think it's a good article too, which does make me a genius
          absolutely!

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          • #6
            The article is well written and makes some good points but I still disagree with it.

            Castillo weighed in 137lbs at 1st attempt aned 138.5lbs on 2nd attempt, (bare in mind that Castillo's doctor tried to tamper with the scales so as not to take the 1st weigh-in to seriously).

            A fighter that comes in 3 and a 1/2 pounds over the lightweight limit will have known long before hand that they were not going to make the limit. Castillo was weighing-in more like a light-welterweight.

            It may have cost him 10% ($120,000) of his $1.2 million purse, but Castillo's market value has shot through the roof, and he will make that money back 10X over in his next couple of fights.

            I think there should be a new rule written into contracts stating that if a fighter fails to make weight, they will lose 75% of their purse... That'll stop them being so flippant with the rules.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Martin (Top Knowledge)
              The article is well written and makes some good points but I still disagree with it.

              Castillo weighed in 137lbs at 1st attempt aned 138.5lbs on 2nd attempt, (bare in mind that Castillo's doctor tried to tamper with the scales so as not to take the 1st weigh-in to seriously).

              A fighter that comes in 3 and a 1/2 pounds over the lightweight limit will have known long before hand that they were not going to make the limit. Castillo was weighing-in more like a light-welterweight.

              It may have cost him 10% ($120,000) of his $1.2 million purse, but Castillo's market value has shot through the roof, and he will make that money back 10X over in his next couple of fights.

              I think there should be a new rule written into contracts stating that if a fighter fails to make weight, they will lose 75% of their purse... That'll stop them being so flippant with the rules.


              That will stop fights from happening.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BROWN BOMBER
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                That will stop fights from happening.
                Perhaps...

                But if that's the only way to stop this happening again then so be it. In my eyes, what Castillo has done has opened the door to this kind of thing happening again.

                Taking a fight that a fighter knows he can't make the weight for, but doing anyway so that it'll help further his career. He played the system, and he got away with it... Because he knew that a PPV fight with this much money involved would go ahead regardless.

                I don't compare "not making the weight" to in-fight tactics like the mouthpiece, a lowblow, or leading with the head. The weight issue can get people hurt or killed!


                What I'm trying to say is - EXAMPLE:

                Erik Morales has signed to fight Manny Pacquiao @130lbs. Erik Morales already knows that he can't make 130lbs anymore but he signs the contract anyway, (for arguments sake lets say the WBC belt is up for grabs too).

                A week before the fight, Manny Pacquiao ends his hard training and starts to make weight loss preperations. The day of the fight he stops eating and starts to dehydrate himself and then at weigh-in time he blips under the 130lbs mark.

                Erik Morales already knows he can't make 130lbs, so he continues to train right up to the day before the weigh-in. He steps onto the scales a solid muscle 135lbs.

                There is too much money involved in the fight (PPV buys/ticket sales), And many members of each camp risk not getting paid if the fight doesn't happen... So the fight goes ahead anyway but Morales is fined 10% of his $1.5 million purse, and the WBC belt is not up for grabs if he wins.

                He doesn't care about the belt, he can't defend it anyway because he can't make 130lbs. The day of the fight Pacquiao is putting weight back on, but it's merely fluid weight.

                Erik is stronger and wins the fight by KO.

                Erik was fined $150,000 for not making the weight, but his market value has gone through the roof with this win and he stands to make 3X back what he just lost in fines in his next fight!

                What is to stop this (Castillo) kind of thing happening again????

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BROWN BOMBER
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                  That will stop fights from happening.
                  A large number of fights, considering how many of them come in a lb. or two over. If Diego was the least bit concerned that castillos failure to make wt. would be a risk for him he could and would have re-scheduled. I'd say he knew it didnt matter either way and that he intended to weigh even more that Castillo WHEN IT REALLY DID MATTER..when the bell rung.

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                  • #10
                    But if that's the only way to stop this happening again then so be it. In my eyes, what Castillo has done has opened the door to this kind of thing happening again.


                    This kind of "thing" has been happening for ever already.Why make a big deal of it now? Example Lopez(108) vs. Alvarez(112) Lopez still did what he had to do to win.

                    Taking a fight that a fighter knows he can't make the weight for, but doing anyway so that it'll help further his career. He played the system, and he got away with it... Because he knew that a PPV fight with this much money involved would go ahead regardless.
                    This is the first time ever that he didnt make weight and he had a legit reason for it.If he is injury fre in the rubber match he will make the weight and the outcome of the fight will be the same as it was for this fight.


                    I don't compare "not making the weight" to in-fight tactics like the mouthpiece, a lowblow, or leading with the head. The weight issue can get people hurt or killed!
                    Very true those 2 and half pounds that Corrales was heavier inside of the ring could have killed Castillo.
                    Also what you said is true but 4 or 5 pounds is not life threating maybe 10 or 20 which wasnt the case. Another thing do you know who Levander Johnson is?Fact is this is boxing and one punch can be fatal you wanna blame that on a weight issue?

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