Castillo-Corrales - "What's All The Fuzz About?"

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Castillo wasnt in a different weight class.He was 2 pounds over in his first try.

I would be more inclined to base it on the 2nd attempt of 138.5lbs, it's extremely unlikely that Castillo went away for an hour, ate a steak dinner, drank a couple of bottles of water and came back for the 2nd weigh-in. I think the 1st weigh-in may have been something to do with that dodgey doctor who tried to fiddle the scales.

Why agree on a catch weight then? The fighters will be at the same weight come next day anyway you cant say that about 1 fighter taking steriods and not the other.It doesnt fair out.

Corrales agreed on a catch weight because he knew he was going to be putting weight back on after the weight-in, (fluid weight) it's what he'd planned for.

The way I see it, not making the weight is against the rules. Taking steroids is against the rules. being found guilty of having illegal hand raps is against the rules. None of them are fair.

Makes no sense in fighting then.When a champ doesnt make the weight he loses his belts on the scales but he doesnt get a "L" on his record and the fight goes on anyway.Again 3 pounds isnt enough to cancel a fight 10 pounds is a different story.

If the fight hadn't taken place A LOT of people in both camps wouldn't have been paid. There was big money at stake (PPV), Castillo would have opted to have another "L" next to his name if it meant getting paid $1.2 million in my opinion.

Your theory is bogus,if that were the case then why wouldnt Joe Goosen who is a very good trainer not know this or any trainer in boxing.If this is true then I suggest you make yourself very rich in training fighters.[/b]

They don't do this because it's against the rules, but that is kind of my point. Why don't people do this in the future? Castillo lost very little money in the grand scheme of things and his market value has gone up so as to insure he makes that "fine" money back 10 fold in his next couple of fights.

I don't think 10% of your purse is an acceptable fine for a fighter that doesn't make the weight. If it had been 75% in Castillo's original contract, I'm positive we wouldn't be having this discussion now... Coz' Castillo would have made the weight.

[{BrownBomber}]

I know it's been happening before, but it's against the rules. The weight catogories in boxing are one (if not THEE) most important thing in boxing.

They are there to ensure a fair competitve fight happens, they are there for the fighters own safety. Not making the weight is as big a deal as being found positive for steroids, or being found to have illigal gloves or many reasons.

Not making the weight invalidates the fight.

Castillo wasnt in a different weight class.He was 2 pounds over in his first try.

Why agree on a catch weight then? The fighters will be at the same weight come next day anyway you cant say that about 1 fighter taking steriods and not the other.It doesnt fair out.

I don't doubt that Castillo probably would have won the fight anyway, but as far as I'm concerned... The fight can go ahead, but regardless of the result, Castillo has to end up with an "L" next to his name.

Making the weight is a big part of the fight game.

Makes no sense in fighting then.When a champ doesnt make the weight he loses his belts on the scales but he doesnt get a "L" on his record and the fight goes on anyway.Again 3 pounds isnt enough to cancel a fight 10 pounds is a different story.

I don't believe it's as simple as saying three and half pounds is nothing etc... To me it's a big deal because it changes the whole way you prepare for the fight.

The last week before the fight, whilst Corrales has stopped sparring and making weight loss preperations, Castillo is still training hard up to the day before the weigh-in.

They may have walked into the ring at the same weight the next evening, but I can assure you that Castillo was fully loaded muscle weight, where as Corrales had merely put on water/fluid weight.

Your theory is bogus,if that were the case then why wouldnt Joe Goosen who is a very good trainer not know this or any trainer in boxing.If this is true then I suggest you make yourself very rich in training fighters.

[tracylee]

Exactly 3 pounds doesnt even put Castillo in the next division, Corrales and his camp know that it didnt make a difference at all.If anything Diego should consider himself lucky he has his belts still.

thats exactly my thought too. I mean, diego knows that he would have lost regardless...he has no doubts of that and neither do his fans, whether they want to admit it out loud or not. The day after the fight I posted that atleast this way he got to keep his titles, which was a lucky break for him. Instead of hating castillo and calling him names the way a few of them are doing, they should be thanking him for making sure diego's belts were secure. I cant believe any of them have sincerely convinced themselves that the wt. at the time of the weigh in had anything to do with the win...especially when diego weighed more come fight time.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

This kind of "thing" has been happening for ever already.Why make a big deal of it now? Example Lopez(108) vs. Alvarez(112) Lopez still did what he had to do to win.

I know it's been happening before, but it's against the rules. The weight catogories in boxing are one (if not THEE) most important thing in boxing.

They are there to ensure a fair competitve fight happens, they are there for the fighters own safety. Not making the weight is as big a deal as being found positive for steroids, or being found to have illigal gloves or many reasons.

Not making the weight invalidates the fight.

This is the first time ever that he didnt make weight and he had a legit reason for it.If he is injury fre in the rubber match he will make the weight and the outcome of the fight will be the same as it was for this fight.

I don't doubt that Castillo probably would have won the fight anyway, but as far as I'm concerned... The fight can go ahead, but regardless of the result, Castillo has to end up with an "L" next to his name.

Making the weight is a big part of the fight game.

Very true those 2 and half pounds that Corrales was heavier inside of the ring could have killed Castillo.
Also what you said is true but 4 or 5 pounds is not life threating maybe 10 or 20 which wasnt the case. Another thing do you know who Levander Johnson is?Fact is this is boxing and one punch can be fatal you wanna blame that on a weight issue?

I don't believe it's as simple as saying three and half pounds is nothing etc... To me it's a big deal because it changes the whole way you prepare for the fight.

The last week before the fight, whilst Corrales has stopped sparring and making weight loss preperations, Castillo is still training hard up to the day before the weigh-in.

They may have walked into the ring at the same weight the next evening, but I can assure you that Castillo was fully loaded muscle weight, where as Corrales had merely put on water/fluid weight.

[{BrownBomber}]

A large number of fights, considering how many of them come in a lb. or two over. If Diego was the least bit concerned that castillos failure to make wt. would be a risk for him he could and would have re-scheduled. I'd say he knew it didnt matter either way and that he intended to weigh even more that Castillo WHEN IT REALLY DID MATTER..when the bell rung.

Exactly 3 pounds doesnt even put Castillo in the next division, Corrales and his camp know that it didnt make a difference at all.If anything Diego should consider himself lucky he has his belts still.

[{BrownBomber}]

But if that's the only way to stop this happening again then so be it. In my eyes, what Castillo has done has opened the door to this kind of thing happening again.

This kind of "thing" has been happening for ever already.Why make a big deal of it now? Example Lopez(108) vs. Alvarez(112) Lopez still did what he had to do to win.

Taking a fight that a fighter knows he can't make the weight for, but doing anyway so that it'll help further his career. He played the system, and he got away with it... Because he knew that a PPV fight with this much money involved would go ahead regardless.

This is the first time ever that he didnt make weight and he had a legit reason for it.If he is injury fre in the rubber match he will make the weight and the outcome of the fight will be the same as it was for this fight.

I don't compare "not making the weight" to in-fight tactics like the mouthpiece, a lowblow, or leading with the head. The weight issue can get people hurt or killed!

Very true those 2 and half pounds that Corrales was heavier inside of the ring could have killed Castillo.
Also what you said is true but 4 or 5 pounds is not life threating maybe 10 or 20 which wasnt the case. Another thing do you know who Levander Johnson is?Fact is this is boxing and one punch can be fatal you wanna blame that on a weight issue?

[tracylee]

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That will stop fights from happening.

A large number of fights, considering how many of them come in a lb. or two over. If Diego was the least bit concerned that castillos failure to make wt. would be a risk for him he could and would have re-scheduled. I'd say he knew it didnt matter either way and that he intended to weigh even more that Castillo WHEN IT REALLY DID MATTER..when the bell rung.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

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That will stop fights from happening.

Perhaps...

But if that's the only way to stop this happening again then so be it. In my eyes, what Castillo has done has opened the door to this kind of thing happening again.

Taking a fight that a fighter knows he can't make the weight for, but doing anyway so that it'll help further his career. He played the system, and he got away with it... Because he knew that a PPV fight with this much money involved would go ahead regardless.

I don't compare "not making the weight" to in-fight tactics like the mouthpiece, a lowblow, or leading with the head. The weight issue can get people hurt or killed!


What I'm trying to say is - EXAMPLE:

Erik Morales has signed to fight Manny Pacquiao @130lbs. Erik Morales already knows that he can't make 130lbs anymore but he signs the contract anyway, (for arguments sake lets say the WBC belt is up for grabs too).

A week before the fight, Manny Pacquiao ends his hard training and starts to make weight loss preperations. The day of the fight he stops eating and starts to dehydrate himself and then at weigh-in time he blips under the 130lbs mark.

Erik Morales already knows he can't make 130lbs, so he continues to train right up to the day before the weigh-in. He steps onto the scales a solid muscle 135lbs.

There is too much money involved in the fight (PPV buys/ticket sales), And many members of each camp risk not getting paid if the fight doesn't happen... So the fight goes ahead anyway but Morales is fined 10% of his $1.5 million purse, and the WBC belt is not up for grabs if he wins.

He doesn't care about the belt, he can't defend it anyway because he can't make 130lbs. The day of the fight Pacquiao is putting weight back on, but it's merely fluid weight.

Erik is stronger and wins the fight by KO.

Erik was fined $150,000 for not making the weight, but his market value has gone through the roof with this win and he stands to make 3X back what he just lost in fines in his next fight!

What is to stop this (Castillo) kind of thing happening again????

[{BrownBomber}]

The article is well written and makes some good points but I still disagree with it.

Castillo weighed in 137lbs at 1st attempt aned 138.5lbs on 2nd attempt, (bare in mind that Castillo's doctor tried to tamper with the scales so as not to take the 1st weigh-in to seriously).

A fighter that comes in 3 and a 1/2 pounds over the lightweight limit will have known long before hand that they were not going to make the limit. Castillo was weighing-in more like a light-welterweight.

It may have cost him 10% ($120,000) of his $1.2 million purse, but Castillo's market value has shot through the roof, and he will make that money back 10X over in his next couple of fights.

I think there should be a new rule written into contracts stating that if a fighter fails to make weight, they will lose 75% of their purse... That'll stop them being so flippant with the rules.

That will stop fights from happening.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

The article is well written and makes some good points but I still disagree with it.

Castillo weighed in 137lbs at 1st attempt aned 138.5lbs on 2nd attempt, (bare in mind that Castillo's doctor tried to tamper with the scales so as not to take the 1st weigh-in to seriously).

A fighter that comes in 3 and a 1/2 pounds over the lightweight limit will have known long before hand that they were not going to make the limit. Castillo was weighing-in more like a light-welterweight.

It may have cost him 10% ($120,000) of his $1.2 million purse, but Castillo's market value has shot through the roof, and he will make that money back 10X over in his next couple of fights.

I think there should be a new rule written into contracts stating that if a fighter fails to make weight, they will lose 75% of their purse... That'll stop them being so flippant with the rules.