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  • Are catch weights overrated?

    Okay, first off - I am against them. I don't like catch weights, they leave a lot of "ifs" after the fights are done and I'd just rather have both fighters go in at their best and watch the best man come out on top.

    NOW..

    Is shaving off/gaining 2-3 pounds really that bad? Let's take a look at the Pacquiao-Cotto situation for example...

    Many argue that Cotto was weight drained (I honestly don't think he was and Cotto is my second fav fighter btw). Manny asked for a 145 catchweight but what most people don't realize is that Cotto's weight before his fight with Manny took place at 146.

    Yes, you might make the argument that Cotto was already having problems making the weight and that's why he later went up to 154. Still, many people said that he was drained for the fight and that the fight should have taken place at 147.

    So in this particular case, are 2 pounds really that much of a factor?

    Oscar De La Hoya fought at 5 pounds under the weight he was in for his fight before Pacquiao. The Manny fight took place 7 months after his last one against Forbes.

    We know Oscar isn't one of the best at staying in shape during layoffs and that he hadn't fought at that weight in over a decade but are 5 pounds really that much of a difference in that case?

    Let's take a look at the Mayweather-Marquez... Oh sheet wait, the beach made Marquez blow up 12+ pounds and then came in over weight at the weigh in. Forget about this cowardly case..

    Now, let's take a look at Pacquiao-Margarito. Margaritos last fight before the big layoff took place at 145, a year and a half pass and he makes his comeback at 154 - which he wins. NOW, he made 154 after the year long layoff and he was getting active again. He was announced about a month or so later about a possible fight with Pacquiao. One would think he'd stay in shape for the biggest fight of life and that he would shed a few pounds on training camp... He had to lose about 4 more pounds which then he regained and overgained for fight night. Were those 4 pounds that big of a factor? Specially when the guy came in at 154 after a long layoff, meaning that he still has a lot of room left to get in better shape?

    Let's take a look at the current issue with Cotto-Margarito II... Apparently Cotto is demanding Antonio to come in at 150 when Margaritos last fight took place at the same weight. One might argue that Margarito isn't too comfortable at 150 at this point in his career just like Cotto isn't comfortable anymore at WW, it happens, metabolism goes down as grow old and whatnot. Okay but will coming in at the same weight you came in to your last fight be that much of a factor?

    I'm interested in seeing your opinion and having smart discussions about this apparent issue we have nowadays. What do you think of those particular situations and what do you think about catchweights overall and if they really are that big of a factor and weigh in heavily on the outcome of the fights?
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    Yes, they don't significantly affect the outcome of the fight.
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    No, they do affect the outcome of the fight.
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    Not sure
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    Last edited by Explosions; 08-23-2011, 11:49 PM.

  • #2
    Cotto doesn't need no catch-weight, just let him use plaster-wraps so he can get even with Margaresto.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by LegendOfLink View Post
      Cotto doesn't need no catch-weight, just let him use plaster-wraps so he can get even with Margaresto.
      even if he did, Tony would still stomp him again

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      • #4
        The biggest point here and one that people are missing is that if the fight is at 150 Margarito's last fight was at 150 and he looked very good at the weigh in and on the other Cotto last fight was at 154 and he weigh in 154. The one that will have the biggest difference in weight is Cotto who will have to go below 154 for the first time since 2009.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by AnimalisticMeth View Post
          The biggest point here and one that people are missing is that if the fight is at 150 Margarito's last fight was at 150 and he looked very good at the weigh in and on the other Cotto last fight was at 154 and he weigh in 154. The one that will have the biggest difference in weight is Cotto who will have to go below 154 for the first time since 2009.
          If that's the case then why is Cotto team asking for it?

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          • #6
            depends. though, there's a reason we have weight divisions.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by AnimalisticMeth View Post
              The biggest point here and one that people are missing is that if the fight is at 150 Margarito's last fight was at 150 and he looked very good at the weigh in and on the other Cotto last fight was at 154 and he weigh in 154. The one that will have the biggest difference in weight is Cotto who will have to go below 154 for the first time since 2009.
              Exactly. I completely agree with all of your points.

              In all honesty, I think 150 is more of a disadvantage for Cotto in terms of cutting weight. However, I do think Cotto will be faster on his feet and I think that's what Team Cotto is aiming for. They're not looking to prepare for a slugfest.

              Margarito should be able to make 150 now that he's active again. Not to mention he's not going in against a guy who feels all that comfortable cutting weight.

              I really think it's a non issue here.

              I do have a problem with his after weigh in demand though, that's just too much IMO.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jack Napier View Post
                even if he did, Tony would still stomp him again
                no. that's not how that works.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AntonTheGreat View Post
                  no. that's not how that works.
                  it is in this case
                  Tony owns Cotto's soul, period

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AnimalisticMeth View Post
                    The biggest point here and one that people are missing is that if the fight is at 150 Margarito's last fight was at 150 and he looked very good at the weigh in and on the other Cotto last fight was at 154 and he weigh in 154. The one that will have the biggest difference in weight is Cotto who will have to go below 154 for the first time since 2009.
                    I hear you...but Marg looks to be NATURALLY the bigger dude

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