Comments Thread For: David Haye Will Likely Retire From Boxing, Says Froch

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I don't now how to break down each quote like you do but here goes. You must not have read what I wrote. Simply because if Valuev was in his prime when Haye fought him why has he not fought since that fight almost two years ago? And that is not even taking into account the fact that Vlauev really was not that good to begin with.

FOR ***S SAKE, ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT MACCA WOULD HAVE BEATEN VALUEV? CUT THE BULL****.

I also find it rather strange that Valuev was looked upon as little more than a carnival side show act with an alphabet strap. Than somehow he became a legitimate champion when Haye fought him. That is fought him in one of the worst god awful fights that I have ever had the displeasure to watch.

With that said, I honestly don't think that Haye, or for that matter, even Holyfield did enough to beat the Beast. And Holyfield even looked better doing what he did while Haye was faking injuries, broken hand, to try cover his a$$ in that forgettable stink fest of a fight. So, if that was Haye's best win he really should not brag about it.

HOLYFIELD BEAT VALUEV.

As far as Wlad not being able to hurt Haye. Well, all I can say to that is that regardless of how big or even how good a fighter is it is kind hard to hurt someone while they are running track. Simply put, everyone knows that Wlad is safety first and will only go for the knock out if it opens up to him, don't believe me see the Ibragimov fight. And I was hoping against odds but I knew that was exactly what was going to happen. Because, Haye does not have the boxing skills to get past Wlad's jab. Haye also leads with power punches that he wings from way out. And that may work against the washed up Mormeck's and Enzo Macc's of the world but it ain't going to work against most world class heavyweights. Because, in reality it didn't work against Valuev or even Ruiz.

I COULDNT BELIEVE THAT HAYE HAD AN EFFECTIVE JAB IN THAT FIGHT.

And last but not least who could beat Haye? I really don't care because I believe that Haye will never fight another legitimate world class heavyweight who's name is not Wlad or Vitali. And I honestly hope that Vitali blows him off. Because Haye has already received way more than he deserves and I hope he just retires and goes away quietly into the shadows.

" who could beat Haye? I really don't care "

Then stop wasting my time.

The question was..... " I personally have a hard time listing him as even a top ten HW ".

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Another masterful dominant win for Wlad.

Haye is just a blown-up cruiser, and Wlad couldnt hurt him, despite holding significant physical advantages.

Vitali is the baddest man on the planet and the best heavyweight in the world.

Just imho.

[Grinderman]

I'll give Haye credit for making the fight of interest -- he forced Wlad out of his comfort zone in the lead-up, but then Wlad found a new comfort zone and appeared to get the best of Haye in the pressers.

Haye did overdo it with the trash talk, but he did create a stir.

But he didn't even come close to backing up what he said he'd do, and as even he admitted, when that happens, you have to take the heat.

Wlad won easy, but I think he could have pressed more in the last few rounds for a KO. Wlad himself now says the same thing.

Vitali would KO Haye, and I'd love to see it -- but Haye won't go near Vitali, it seems.

[EdMon917]

He was the unified Cruiserweight Champion and held a Heavyweight title, he's done all he could in my eyes.

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I'll give Haye credit for making the fight of interest -- he forced Wlad out of his comfort zone in the lead-up, but then Wlad found a new comfort zone and appeared to get the best of Haye in the pressers.

Haye did overdo it with the trash talk, but he did create a stir.

But he didn't even come close to backing up what he said he'd do, and as even he admitted, when that happens, you have to take the heat.

Wlad won easy, but I think he could have pressed more in the last few rounds for a KO. Wlad himself now says the same thing.

Vitali would KO Haye, and I'd love to see it -- but Haye won't go near Vitali, it seems.

Great post, that is exactly how I see it

IMHO, Vit would KO Wlad as well.

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Haye badly under-performed when it came to backing up his trash talk.

But if you think that the blame for why that fight stunk sits solely on Haye's shoulders, you are crazy.

[Ravens Fan]

" who could beat Haye? I really don't care "

Then stop wasting my time.

The question was..... " I personally have a hard time listing him as even a top ten HW ".

Wasting your time? Do you really think you are that important? And I actually answered the question about the top ten in a previous post. And if you think I am wasting your time, it's a simple process don't respond. However, I will respond.

I have to ask when did I ever state that Enzo Macc would beat the Beast, or are you just making things up? What I said was that Enzo Macc was the only in his prime world class fighter that Haye has beat, and that ain't saying much. And if you disagree with that tell me why.

As far as Holyfield beating the Beast I think the fight was closer than the Haye-Valuev but I still don't believe Holyfiled won. With that said I am and always was a huge fan of the "Real Deal" and I still don't think he won. But, lets say I do agree with you and Holyfield did in fact win the fight, what does that say about Haye? When Holyfield, a fighter who had not won a meaningful fight in more than a decade, was able to fight and look better against the Beast than a in his prime Haye. Pretty sad for a supposed top ten heavyweight in the world if I do say so myself. And I am not totally closed minded because I will listen to an argument about Holyfiled winning the fight. But, as far as Haye doing enough to win I didn't see it the first time nor the several times that I forced myself to watch that horrible excuse for a fight since.

I have to be honest and say that I am not sure what fight you were referring to as far as Haye's jab so I can't respond. And if I can I am going to regress for a moment.

I did say that I had a hard time rating Haye very high and that was a statement not a question. And than you asked me who I thought could beat Haye. And I guess you did not like my answer so you copped an attitude. However, I will say it again I don't care and it doesn't matter who I believe can beat Haye. Simply because in my opinion they would be little more than fantasy fights and you mine as well have asked me who would have won Dempsey or Ali.

In closing I am also going to amend a statement I made in an earlier post. I stated that I would rate Haye above Arreola but after thinking about it I think I am going to change that, and this is why. Haye may have more skills than Arreola and he may even be more powerful, debatable. However, one thing I will say about Chris, when he fought Vitali he was highly outclassed. However, he came to fight and left it all in the ring because he has something that Haye is obviously missing and that is a lot of heart.

And sometimes having a big heart is more important than having all the skills in the world and that is something coming from me because I don't even like Chris. But, I can honestly say that I have more respect for the way Chris loses than anything to do with what Haye does.

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Wasting your time? Do you really think you are that important? And I actually answered the question about the top ten in a previous post. And if you think I am wasting your time, it's a simple process don't respond. However, I will respond.

I have to ask when did I ever state that Enzo Macc would beat the Beast, or are you just making things up? What I said was that Enzo Macc was the only in his prime world class fighter that Haye has beat, and that ain't saying much. And if you disagree with that tell me why.

As far as Holyfield beating the Beast I think the fight was closer than the Haye-Valuev but I still don't believe Holyfiled won. With that said I am and always was a huge fan of the "Real Deal" and I still don't think he won. But, lets say I do agree with you and Holyfield did in fact win the fight, what does that say about Haye? When Holyfield, a fighter who had not won a meaningful fight in more than a decade, was able to fight and look better against the Beast than a in his prime Haye. Pretty sad for a supposed top ten heavyweight in the world if I do say so myself. And I am not totally closed minded because I will listen to an argument about Holyfiled winning the fight. But, as far as Haye doing enough to win I didn't see it the first time nor the several times that I forced myself to watch that horrible excuse for a fight since.

I have to be honest and say that I am not sure what fight you were referring to as far as Haye's jab so I can't respond. And if I can I am going to regress for a moment.

I did say that I had a hard time rating Haye very high and that was a statement not a question. And than you asked me who I thought could beat Haye. And I guess you did not like my answer so you copped an attitude. However, I will say it again I don't care and it doesn't matter who I believe can beat Haye. Simply because in my opinion they would be little more than fantasy fights and you mine as well have asked me who would have won Dempsey or Ali.

In closing I am also going to amend a statement I made in an earlier post. I stated that I would rate Haye above Arreola but after thinking about it I think I am going to change that, and this is why. Haye may have more skills than Arreola and he may even be more powerful, debatable. However, one thing I will say about Chris, when he fought Vitali he was highly outclassed. However, he came to fight and left it all in the ring because he has something that Haye is obviously missing and that is a lot of heart.

And sometimes having a big heart is more important than having all the skills in the world and that is something coming from me because I don't even like Chris. But, I can honestly say that I have more respect for the way Chris loses than anything to do with what Haye does.

You said that Macca was Haye's best win, and I disagreed.

I didnt rate Macca, so I think both Mormeck and Valuev were better wins.

And I definitely think that Holyfield won that fight.

And I could not respect someone who chooses to sit in his room playing Xbox when he should be preparing for a title fight.

We can agree to disagree.

Apologies, maybe I thought you were winding me up when you said that you did not rank Haye in the top 10, but did not care that it was likely nobody else could beat him.

[Light_Speed]

He should goto MMA like he was planning...

All jokes aside he would have a decent shot at MMA since he's ultra quick and has 1 punch KO power.

[LeadUppercut]

Here is the problem.....

Haye IS one of the best heavyweights in the world right now.

Call it an indictment on the sport, whatever, but that is why nobody can get an accurate gauge on the Klitschko's.

Either way, Wlad should have had him out of there.

I am not attributing this comment to anyone in particular, but hardcore K-bro fans will say that..... " Foreman and Frasier were bums, and Wlad would easily beat them both ".....

Fkn bull****, he couldnt get Haye out of there, and likely still cant fight off the back foot.

Vitali is the best HW in the world imho, and yes, I believe that he could hang with most of them coz hes tough as hell.