The Mistake EVERYBODY Makes Against Mayweather.

[Gino Ros]

Good thread, how did I miss this one. Still reading through all the posts.

Gino, admit it though, I'm sensing a little closet-desire of seeing Floyd beat.

Subliminal messages?

The fighters I've loved the most have lost: Pernell, Tito, Casamayor.

There's a circle of life aspect to it. 35 year old guys gotta lose to open up the sport for young stars.

[cupocity303]

Make some sense or don't waste my time. Its obvious you're too scared to fight cuz' if you ever were man enough to step into the squared circle you'd see how easy it is to run around like the fairy you are.

Trust me son, when you grow some hair on your **** and your balls finally drop and you got enough guts to fight a living person, you'll see how hard it is to apply pressure to some fag that just wants to counter all night.

Until then, go play with your barbie dolls faggot.

PROTIP: THE GUY COUNTERING HAS THE UPPER HAND. TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.

ROFL, I like this guys comments.

I know what he is trying to say.

Typically the rugged, come forward, strong guys like Edison Miranda, Mayorga, Andrade, Margarito etc,. Even though they might get beaten and Ko'd more than a Mayweather or Andrew Ward.

Those guys in the real world, without a ref would be more effective at fighting. In a real life situation like getting attacked at a bar, Miranda would have a better time fighting off one or two guys, than someone who moves around and counters, and depends on the ref to safe him from any rough house tactics. Slick boxers are ineffective outside the ring. Mike Tyson can **** up two guys at once, while Lennox Lewis probably couldn't. Using his long jab doesn't work in the real world.

Hence why NET is annoyed by those boxers. I'm not, but I get it.

[Gino Ros]

Good thread, how did I miss this one. Still reading through all the posts.

Gino, admit it though, I'm sensing a little closet-desire of seeing Floyd beat.

Subliminal messages?

The fighters I've loved the most have lost: Pernell, Tito, Casamayor.

There's a circle of life aspect to it. 35 year old guys gotta lose to open up the sport for young stars.

[cupocity303]

You've been boxing since you were 13 yet nobody knows who the fuck you are. You sound like every other nuthugging loser on this site.

All mouth and no argument whatsoever. You fail at life bro. I wouldn't wanna wake up and be you tomorrow cuz' if I did , I'd wanna end my life.

You don't wanna *** with -Kev- though.

He fights like his favorite character from Dragon Ball Z, Goku.

He even wears the same red tights for intimidation, I'd back off if I were you.

[cupocity303]

I expect - EXPECT - Floyd to lose.

1) He's 35 on his next birthday. Fairly ancient for a lightweight.
2) He has been inactive. Bad news for someone who relies on his sharpness
3) When you are on top, you are a target. And some kid has been studying Floyd his whole life. Think about it: we are just fans, and we have been discussing specific punches and tactics in X round of Y fight.
4) A bad night. Maybe a touch of cold. Feeling flu-ish. A sore shoulder. That rib injury that had that bone sticking out. Something.
5) Something fluke-y. Did you thing you would ever seen P-Will go nite-nite in the 2nd round?

Are you having any dreams of a 4th round TKO victory for Ortiz, by any chance?

[GrandpaBernard]

You can pose that question to about 85% of the world's youth.

Even if they try to make their own hip hop and breakdancing, they know where it came from. They know where the style of dress comes from.

From the music to the style of dress to the slang its all emulated from Blacks. Its started in New York and the world saw it an embraced it.

Its not just Filipinos. Who in the world have been more racist than White Americans? And now their kids buy more hip hop than Blacks. They go to all the underground hip hop concerts. They dress urban and use the "N" word more than Blacks seem to these days.

The difference is that Filipinos are kidding themselves. They aren't White. They will never be White. No matter what color they dye their hair or how they train themselves to sound more like American White girls. They are hating other poor people in hopes of being accepted into the status quo, which is absolutely pathetic.

Here's a perfect example of what happens when Filipinos believe that they have been accepted by Whites. Listen and learn:



That poor girl doesn't even think she is Asian anymore. Not really. She thinks that there are "those" Asians and then Asian-Americans like her who can speak English like "them" and act like them.

Look at the disingenuous way she says "fellow Asians" in the video. Its almost as if she was made to say it but didn't really want to. She Filipino, but if it was audio only you would NEVER know. Not only by her voice, but by the contemptuous way she refers to other Asians.

That Uncle Tom should just limit her hate by directing it only at her people, filipinos. Asians as a whole are too broad. Japanese people for example are very different from pinoys culturally.

[cupocity303]

I've seen Filipino's attack Blacks. I've seen them attack Hispanics. They don't attack Whites so much because they aspire to be them. I've lived in a Filipino community in Hawaii for quite some time and let me tell you ... They dye their hair blond, they are taking speech diction classes so that they can sound like valley girls from California.

Now that was funny.

[freedom213]

There have been some good ideas on how to beat Mayweather and this might have been said already cause I only got about 4 pages deep but really it all starts and ends with a great jab.

You look at the fighters that had even limited success against Floyd and most (not all) had good to great jabs. Now i dont think the jab alone would get you the V against FMJ but it will go along way towards making him adjust his game, prevent him from operating at his distance, do damage and build points. Look at what Oscar did with his faded jab, when he was pumping it he was landing it early and it set the stage for him to at least keep Mayweather at bay and at a distance that benefited him the most. Also, it helped to give Oscar a chance to land a right hand on Floyd. Like anyone eating a jab over and over makes it harder and harder to keep that chin tucked.

Castillo another guy who had a very underrated stiff jab. Castillo also threw different types of jabs, a more conventional jab and a nice up jab he utilized as he made his way inside. IMO that was what allowed Castillo to dictate and find success to the body.

Working the body on Floyd is a must, you have to take away a bit of his legs early cause if you dont he comes on late and really makes you pay with his great foot movement and body positioning. So workin the body even to the point of fouls and possible points loss, a must. Mosley really disappointed me in this department both in his fight against Floyd and Manny. He was a guy who could have and should have attempted to slow both of those guys down early but didnt seem to focus on it hardly at all.

I like the idea of someone trying to make FMJ the aggressor but you better be one hell of a boxer with great stamina to pull that off, good luck with that.

[Brother Jay]

There have been some good ideas on how to beat Mayweather and this might have been said already cause I only got about 4 pages deep but really it all starts and ends with a great jab.

You look at the fighters that had even limited success against Floyd and most (not all) had good to great jabs. Now i dont think the jab alone would get you the V against FMJ but it will go along way towards making him adjust his game, prevent him from operating at his distance, do damage and build points. Look at what Oscar did with his faded jab, when he was pumping it he was landing it early and it set the stage for him to at least keep Mayweather at bay and at a distance that benefited him the most. Also, it helped to give Oscar a chance to land a right hand on Floyd. Like anyone eating a jab over and over makes it harder and harder to keep that chin tucked.

Castillo another guy who had a very underrated stiff jab. Castillo also threw different types of jabs, a more conventional jab and a nice up jab he utilized as he made his way inside. IMO that was what allowed Castillo to dictate and find success to the body.

Working the body on Floyd is a must, you have to take away a bit of his legs early cause if you dont he comes on late and really makes you pay with his great foot movement and body positioning. So workin the body even to the point of fouls and possible points loss, a must. Mosley really disappointed me in this department both in his fight against Floyd and Manny. He was a guy who could have and should have attempted to slow both of those guys down early but didnt seem to focus on it hardly at all.

I like the idea of someone trying to make FMJ the aggressor but you better be one hell of a boxer with great stamina to pull that off, good luck with that.

Everything you described was DLH's approach to beating Floyd and he couldn't pull it off either. Keep in mind that DLH had 20lbs on Floyd as well so he should have had an easier time bullying him against the ropes to get to the body.

Floyd was too smart for that. Jesus Chavez also did what you're suggesting. He too fell short. He was trying to hammer Floyd's body all night. And he had some success doing it as well. No dice.

Floyd has fought pressure fighters before. Floyd has been rocked before Mosley. Floyd has fought against jabbers before.

I'm in no way saying that Floyd cannot be beaten. I am saying that it will be more a case of age or weight than hands Floyd his first "0" more than the talent of another current boxer.

[rambov]

Lemme ask you:

If you throw a punch at Floyd, and he turns and deflects it with his shoulder or body, should that count as a landed punch? Say with the judges/compubox?

No it should not imo. What would constitute as a block then? Well body maybe.