pacqiaou ducked guzman

[straightleft]

That wasn't the only excuse. The other one was that Guzman didn't have a style that would give Pac an exciting fight. The reality is that Guzman had speed and very good defensive skills. They knew that would give Pac fits. They'd rather have Pac fight guys that like to stand still or come foward.

The question is...are you sure Guzman can make weight against Pacquiao?

[Sheppirino]

The question is...are you sure Guzman can make weight against Pacquiao?

Back then he could have. Guzman wanted to fight Pac around the time he beat Soto. They could have met at 130 or 135.

[Left Hook Tua]

Back then he could have. Guzman wanted to fight Pac around the time he beat Soto. They could have met at 130 or 135.

guzman beat soto at end of 2007 (almost 2008)

pacquiao fought marquez at the beginning of 2008 , then moved up to 135-147 afterward.

guzman didn't even become the top fighter at 130 until AFTER pacquiao and marquez moved up and barrera/morales left 130.

the top 3 fighters at 130 (not including pacquiao) at the time was barrera , marquez and morales. who pacquiao fought.

by the time guzman won a title all 4 of those guys were already gone or about to leave the division.


maybe if guzman really wanted a fight , he would have done more to earn it.

but of course he hasn't done **** since beating soto.

[BoxerDood]

guzman beat soto at end of 2007 (almost 2008)

pacquiao fought marquez at the beginning of 2008 , then moved up to 135-147 afterward.

guzman didn't even become the top fighter at 130 until AFTER pacquiao and marquez moved up and barrera/morales left 130.

the top 3 fighters at 130 (not including pacquiao) at the time was barrera , marquez and morales. who pacquiao fought.

by the time guzman won a title all 4 of those guys were already gone or about to leave the division.


maybe if guzman really wanted a fight , he would have done more to earn it.

but of course he hasn't done **** since beating soto.

Pacquiao had the options of fighting Valero, Barrera again, Guzman or Soto. Say what you want about Guzman's resume, but the Barrera rematch was pointless. He was coming off of a loss to Marquez. I could understand him not fighting Valero because as he said, his resume was full of tricycle drivers but there was no excuse for Soto and Guzman. If I remember correctly, that was right after Soto beat the crap out of Bobby. It should have been one of those two.

[Left Hook Tua]

Pacquiao had the options of fighting Valero, Barrera again, Guzman or Soto. Say what you want about Guzman's resume, but the Barrera rematch was pointless. He was coming off of a loss to Marquez. I could understand him not fighting Valero because as he said, his resume was full of tricycle drivers but there was no excuse for Soto and Guzman. If I remember correctly, that was right after Soto beat the crap out of Bobby. It should have been one of those two.

gbp and top rank had just resolved their legal issues.

that's why pacquiao was fighting gbp fighters for the 1st time in a couple of years.

barrera wanted pacquiao fight (he had a 130 title) but gbp made him fight marquez first (they wanted jmm to get the belt , gbp sold barrera out)

that's why barrera-pacquiao happened after barrera lost to jmm.


valero , soto and guzman was still nothing but up and comers at the time. they weren't established names yet. in fact , they never became one.

soto didn't win a belt at 130 'til 2008.

guzman won his 130 belt barely a year before the pacquiao-barrera rematch.

same for valero.

they were young guys who had just recently won belts and the fight would have been interesting but no one was clamoring or begging for those fights.

everyone was busy watching pacquiao-morales go at it and they were foaming at the mouth to see the pacquiao-marquez rematch.

[Left Hook Tua]

everyone always thinks , "oh pacquiao should have fought soto/valero/guzman because they were top ranked fighters at 130."

yeah they were the top ranked fighters at 130 , AFTER pacquiao , morales , barrera and marquez all left the division.

you have to be following the division at the time to know this.

yeah a few people would have wanted to see guzman/soto/valero fight pacquiao but at the time those were not the fights people wanted.

pacquiao jumped to 130 in 2005. in 2005 the top 2 guys at 130 was barrera and morales.

in 2006 it was still the same , with pac behind those 3. (pacquiao had just lost to morales and barrera got the #1 spot before that by beating morales)

in 2007 , the top 2 guys were barrera and pacquiao.

in 2008 , the top 2 guys were pacquiao and marquez (after marquez just beat barrera a few months before)


soto , valero , guzman didn't become the top guys in the rankings until morales and barrera left and pacquiao and marquez moved up to 135.

[i_am_a_champ]

he cud have fought soto after he beat bobby pac, @ 130 or fought guzman. instead he fought barrera, again. Guzman was the 130 wbo champ at the time when pac elected to fight barrera again @ 130 and soto had just beaten up bobby pac.

Guzman didnt get the fight @ 130

Then after the barrera fight roach talked about watching the winner of soto-guzman @ 130, mannys future @ 130, etc etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOO1R52aPwg

guzman beats soto @ 130. guzman calls out manny @ 130, had been calling him out before. still no fight.

manny fights marquez again this time @ 130

no fight with guzman. a shame really