pacqiaou ducked guzman

[i_am_a_champ]

I was a HUGE Guzman fan and I wanted nothing more than a Pac vs Guzman fight. And while Guzman did beat Soto, Pacquiao fought Marquez next instead I believe. So I don't think that qualifies as ducking if you fight a guy who you got a draw with earlier, is a lot more money, more popular, higher rated and more respected.

I was very disappointed at the time because they were planning on having Pac-Guzman in Vancouver, Canada, which isn't that far of a drive from Seattle, so I was pumped up only to have my heart torn from my chest lol.

Stylistically he would have gave pac the most problems (at that time) so I'm sure The Bobfather knew that as well.

Exactly. He was a huge threat to pac at that time. I really think he could have beaten him at that time

[ИATAS]

I had no problems with the Marquez fight. But Diaz??

well I could see the logic in that because pacquiao was moving up in weight to 135 pounds. Diaz had a title. The plan was to go up in weight, win a title, then fight whomever at 135. Those plans and the entire course of boxing was changed forever when Larry Merchant suggested Pac fights Oscar in the post-fight interview, so pac never looked back.

Obviously, Guzman >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diaz by far. But looking at their plan of moving up in weight and going after bigger names I certainly understand the logic.

Now if Pac stayed at 130 pounds and kept fighting lesser opponents then I would clearly say it was a duck.

The big part of the problem was Bob Arum is all about money. I don't think pac would give two ****s about fighting Guzman. But I'm sure in The Bob Father's eyes it's a difficult sell and a high risk/low reward type scenario. Guzman had like 90 fans me being one of them lol.

Guzman also hurt himself then too because he would fight like once a year or so. Poor management or whatever the deal was he should have been more active than that, even if it's some bum whatever as long as he was on TV and in people's minds.

[TheMexHurricane]

would have been a great fight. if i am not mistaken joan guzman had been trying to get it on with pacqiaou from 02'-08', calling him out repeatedly , since they were in the same weight classes till pacqiaou moved further up in weight.

would have been an excellent fight. i think it was very high risk for team pacqiauo at the time

Pac didn't have the speed advantage. That's why I consider him a probable pre-Douglas Mike Tyson= Short, short armed, power puncher= vulnerable vs faster taller guys.

[straightleft]

...for years. FACT!

I think it wud have been a hell of a fight though @ super feather.

Pedquaio will beat and retire your coward queen Floyd. What makes you think Guzman has a chance to a PED user Pacquiao?

[i_am_a_champ]

Pedquaio will beat and retire your coward queen Floyd. What makes you think Guzman has a chance to a PED user Pacquiao?

Dont bring that **** in here. This thread is about guzman. talk about floyd esle where, get the **** out

[i_am_a_champ]

Pac didn't have the speed advantage. That's why I consider him a probable pre-Douglas Mike Tyson= Short, short armed, power puncher= vulnerable vs faster taller guys.

true say dude. Going by the fact that guzman had some sick movement and was pretty tight defensivley and the obvious height advantage that you mentioned, yeah

[tangalog2200]

well I could see the logic in that because pacquiao was moving up in weight to 135 pounds. Diaz had a title. The plan was to go up in weight, win a title, then fight whomever at 135. Those plans and the entire course of boxing was changed forever when Larry Merchant suggested Pac fights Oscar in the post-fight interview, so pac never looked back.

Obviously, Guzman >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diaz by far. But looking at their plan of moving up in weight and going after bigger names I certainly understand the logic.

Now if Pac stayed at 130 pounds and kept fighting lesser opponents then I would clearly say it was a duck.

The big part of the problem was Bob Arum is all about money. I don't think pac would give two ****s about fighting Guzman. But I'm sure in The Bob Father's eyes it's a difficult sell and a high risk/low reward type scenario. Guzman had like 90 fans me being one of them lol.

Guzman also hurt himself then too because he would fight like once a year or so. Poor management or whatever the deal was he should have been more active than that, even if it's some bum whatever as long as he was on TV and in people's minds.

very good points...

pac may have not reached the 8 weight divisions plums if he had stayed longer in one weight class..

so people saying he ducked other fighters are understandable..

[miron_lang]

well I could see the logic in that because pacquiao was moving up in weight to 135 pounds. Diaz had a title. The plan was to go up in weight, win a title, then fight whomever at 135. Those plans and the entire course of boxing was changed forever when Larry Merchant suggested Pac fights Oscar in the post-fight interview, so pac never looked back.

Obviously, Guzman >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diaz by far. But looking at their plan of moving up in weight and going after bigger names I certainly understand the logic.

Now if Pac stayed at 130 pounds and kept fighting lesser opponents then I would clearly say it was a duck.

The big part of the problem was Bob Arum is all about money. I don't think pac would give two ****s about fighting Guzman. But I'm sure in The Bob Father's eyes it's a difficult sell and a high risk/low reward type scenario. Guzman had like 90 fans me being one of them lol.

Guzman also hurt himself then too because he would fight like once a year or so. Poor management or whatever the deal was he should have been more active than that, even if it's some bum whatever as long as he was on TV and in people's minds.

As i recall it. Yeah i remember you being a huge huge Guzman follower.


Guzman is **** though not the skills and talent but his Attitude is weak.

Floyd and Pac alread made Millions but when they need to work they work and they work hard.


Guzman has missed the weight a thousand times
hard to figure when he was also caught using banned substances.

[Sheppirino]

After Guzman beat Soto, Pacquiao made some excuse about Guzman not being a big enough name, and not being about to do 350K PPV's.

Then ****** went and fought the great David Diaz.

That wasn't the only excuse. The other one was that Guzman didn't have a style that would give Pac an exciting fight. The reality is that Guzman had speed and very good defensive skills. They knew that would give Pac fits. They'd rather have Pac fight guys that like to stand still or come foward.

[mathed]

I mean, who fights all the top fighters in every division anymore? That is an ideology of the past, it's all about making money now......very few fighters fight for pride once they make the bigscreen. Sure you could say Pac ducked this guy or that, but I can't think of many boxers who can't be accused of ducking someone....I see it all the time in here.

So who really cares who he didn't fight? Look at Guzman's career....it's rubbish now. Look at Torrecampo's career.....is he fighting for multi-million dollar paydays? Nah, didn't think so...more like 2000 pesos and a bottle of potable water.

Just a different opinion on it.