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  • ИATAS
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    #21
    Originally posted by Phenom
    ^ Williams Dzinziruk Angulo Lara Molina Cintron even Alvarez did more work at that weight then Cotto
    it's not always based on overall body of work AT THAT WEIGHT CLASS for example when pacquiao first went to WW and beat Cotto he was the #1 guy. So that's 2 fights total at WW compared to other guys who have done a lot more in that weight class but clearly Pac was #1.

    Same goes for Cotto. When Cotto went up to 154 nobody in the division had really done much of anything. Cotto beat Foreman who you can say anything you want about now but at the time was highly regarded. So their rankings, which are polled by tons of writers, boxing websites, etc., were based on what he's done overall in his career, his skill, and his performance against Foreman, whereas at the time Canelo hadn't beat anyone, Angulo lost to Cintron and was MIA, Molina wasn't anybody and Lara didn't do anything yet.

    So I can see perfectly as to why Cotto was and is #1 in the division.

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    • ny123
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      #22
      Originally posted by Phenom
      ^^ Williams Dzinziruk Angulo Lara Molina Cintron even Alvarez did more work at that weight then Cotto


      you can't tell me if it was Wolak who beat Foreman and Mayorga he would be the #1 in the division


      Yeah but you have to figure talent and past accomplishments into the equation even when a fighter has moved up i would think.

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        #23
        Originally posted by ghns1133
        well...

        pacs wins havent been that good....

        but who do u think is no. 1 p4p....

        they dont have may cause of inactivity....
        What a fighter has done in the recent past matters. Who would you put at number 1? Sergio Martinez? How is Williams, Pavlik, Dzinruik, Toribio, Jordan and losing to Williams better than Cotto, Clottey, DelaHoya, Margarito, Marquez 2 and Hatton?

        If an unknown fighter suddenly beat 3 fighters that are better than what Pac or Sergio did should he suddenly be put at number 1?

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        • Phenom
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          #24
          so you guys telling me if it was another boxer not as famous as Cotto that happens to beat Foreman and Mayorga he would be ranked number 1 in the division?

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            #25
            after cotto knocks the **** out of cheaterito he will be back in the top 4 P4P

            i'll say this- if cotto whupps marg- and mayweather still ducks him- then its obvious floyd was scared of him

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              #26
              Originally posted by Phenom
              so you guys telling me if it was another boxer not as famous as Cotto that happens to beat Foreman and Mayorga he would be ranked number 1 in the division?
              If he was skillful and had a body of work like cotto then yeah absolutely.

              Pongsaklek Wonjongkam is pound 4 pound #7. How do you explain that? Like 48 total americans know who he is, about 14 know how to properly pronounce his name.

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                #27
                Originally posted by Phenom
                ^^ Williams Dzinziruk Angulo Lara Molina Cintron even Alvarez did more work at that weight then Cotto
                With this logic, every fighter who made better recent opponents will be catapulted to number one. There will be constant changes almost every week not only with just the number one spot but on every number in the rankings. This also means that if I defeated the number 1 fighter on my division a year ago............ my spot will be taken because I took on a tune-up and the other fighter just defeated a ranked fighter.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Phenom
                  so you guys telling me if it was another boxer not as famous as Cotto that happens to beat Foreman and Mayorga he would be ranked number 1 in the division?
                  As long as he defeated Mosley, Judah and Quintana too.

                  I know what you are saying....they were in the welterweights. But those are carried when you fight in another weightclass. Potentiality is carried.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by ИATAS206
                    it's not always based on overall body of work AT THAT WEIGHT CLASS for example when pacquiao first went to WW and beat Cotto he was the #1 guy. So that's 2 fights total at WW compared to other guys who have done a lot more in that weight class but clearly Pac was #1.

                    Same goes for Cotto. When Cotto went up to 154 nobody in the division had really done much of anything. Cotto beat Foreman who you can say anything you want about now but at the time was highly regarded. So their rankings, which are polled by tons of writers, boxing websites, etc., were based on what he's done overall in his career, his skill, and his performance against Foreman, whereas at the time Canelo hadn't beat anyone, Angulo lost to Cintron and was MIA, Molina wasn't anybody and Lara didn't do anything yet.

                    So I can see perfectly as to why Cotto was and is #1 in the division.
                    I still don't see that logic man.

                    If Cotto didn't get KTFO by Marg then that would be totally true, but that didn't happen. Shane beat Marg and became the man to beat. How hard is that lineage to trace for you guys? There was already a linear titlist there. No amount of good deeds at prior weight should supersede the need to fight contenders to become #1 if there was already a linear titlist.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by ghns1133
                      thats bs man.....

                      should have it everywere.
                      Tell me about it...

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