Explain to me how this isnt a knockdown

[Larry the boss]

[AKATheMack]

Knockdown rules are different in Montreal.

[uoykcuf]

Pascal is a cheater and pointed to the canvas claiming it made him slip when he knows it didn't.

[jltsmae]

jean just want to ride the OST issue and at the same time collect his check...

[Larry the boss]

That was a clear knockdown,yet they gave Pascal credit for a knockdown in the 1st fight that wasnt a knockdown

[Dubblechin]

Probably because Hopkins threw an arm punch with not much power behind it, and Pascal threw a counter hook and slipped on the painted canvas ... so the referee -- who is in there too (unlike us) and knows where the ring is slippery -- ruled it a slip.

You can CLEARLY see Pascal's right foot slide out from under him while it's on that yellow "O" -- like a foot slipping on ice. And he wipes the bottom of the same foot off on the canvas at the very end of the clip.

The guys in the ring (including the referee) can tell where the slick spots are on the mat. That's why veterans like Hopkins wait for opponents to stand in the paint before punching, that's why veteran referees rule incidents like that slips.

When you paint advertisements on the ring, and then have 20 soaking wet guys running around the ring for five or six hours before the main event, the paint gets slick. They should stop selling ads on the mat and it won't happen.

Then again, maybe Pascal was totally out on his feet at that moment and Hopkins blew his chance to finish him with one more shot?

[niallcollins]

Knockdown rules are different in Montreal.

thats is sum bad ref

[johnm is...]

Probably because Hopkins threw an arm punch with not much power behind it, and Pascal threw a counter hook and slipped on the painted canvas ... so the referee -- who is in there too (unlike us) and knows where the ring is slippery -- ruled it a slip.

You can CLEARLY see Pascal's right foot slide out from under him while it's on that yellow "O" -- like a foot slipping on ice. And he wipes the bottom of the same foot off on the canvas at the very end of the clip.

The guys in the ring (including the referee) can tell where the slick spots are on the mat. That's why veterans like Hopkins wait for opponents to stand in the paint before punching, that's why veteran referees rule incidents like that slips.

When you paint advertisements on the ring, and then have 20 soaking wet guys running around the ring for five or six hours before the main event, the paint gets slick. They should stop selling ads on the mat and it won't happen.

Then again, maybe Pascal was totally out on his feet at that moment and Hopkins blew his chance to finish him with one more shot?

If you get hit with a punch, and you go down, it's a knockdown. You can't just rewrite the rules because you think he may have slipped while getting punched.

Punch lands. You go down. That's a knockdown. In every sense of the word.

[fitefanSHO]

Punch lands. You go down. That's a knockdown. In every sense of the word.

OK, but what if a fighter went down from a grazing shot in a corner that was slippery from water and/or ice that was not properly cleaned up by cornermen and it looked demonstrably like he slipped on wet surface? Is that a knockdown, free of any and all qualifiers? Of course not. Those slippery ring ads have become a nuisance and boxers slip on them all the time. Something needs to be done so that professional boxers have a professional applicable surface on which to ply their craft, you'll see an end to stuff like what happened there to Pascal when that happens.

[johnm is...]

OK, but what if a fighter went down from a grazing shot in a corner that was slippery from water and/or ice that was not properly cleaned up by cornermen and it looked demonstrably like he slipped on wet surface? Is that a knockdown, free of any and all qualifiers? Of course not. Those slippery ring ads have become a nuisance and boxers slip on them all the time. Something needs to be done so that professional boxers have a professional applicable surface on which to ply their craft, you'll see an end to stuff like what happened there to Pascal when that happens.

But he didn't slip on ice. Or water. He got punched in the head. It made him off balance, so when he tried to throw one of those wide ass shots of his, he went down. The punch took his ass down. The fact that the wide return punch, or the ring ad might have aided it is irrelevant. He was off balance from the shot that landed. You can't argue that it's not a knockdown.

Pascal stumbles all over the ring on a good day. He throws himself off balance on his own. He doesn't need assistance from ring ads.

Punch in the head + you go down = knockdown.