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  • AKATheMack
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    #21
    JMM is more skillful, obviously, but Cotto stops him at 140+. Not a lot of analysis needed on this one.

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    • Cuauhtémoc1520
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      #22
      Originally posted by AKATheMack
      JMM is more skillful, obviously, but Cotto stops him at 140+. Not a lot of analysis needed on this one.
      I don't know about stopping him, that's premature. If Floyd and Pac couldn't, what makes you think he could.

      I disagree, I think JMM would go the distance with Cotto, out box Cotto and counter him extremely well.

      I think he might lose at 140 because of the natural size difference but let's not sell JMM short here, he stood in there with Floyd at 144 and lasted, he also took on the relentless punching of Pac for 12 rounds (Even if it wasn't at 140).

      I wouldn't automatically think Cotto stops him, it's hard to stop that Aztec warrior.

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      • AKATheMack
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        #23
        Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
        I don't know about stopping him, that's premature. If Floyd and Pac couldn't, what makes you think he could.

        I disagree, I think JMM would go the distance with Cotto, out box Cotto and counter him extremely well.

        I think he might lose at 140 because of the natural size difference but let's not sell JMM short here, he stood in there with Floyd at 144 and lasted, he also took on the relentless punching of Pac for 12 rounds (Even if it wasn't at 140).

        I wouldn't automatically think Cotto stops him, it's hard to stop that Aztec warrior.
        Thats the part that would worry me if he were in with prime Cotto. Hes a beautiful boxer, but hes a warrior and hes willing to trade with anyone. I think Cotto is just too big for him and Im not sure JMMs frame would hold up to the punishment Cotto would deliver. Its not a foregone conclusion that he gets stopped, but I think Cotto had the tools and just the overall size and strength to get it done.

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          #24
          Originally posted by AKATheMack
          Thats the part that would worry me if he were in with prime Cotto. Hes a beautiful boxer, but hes a warrior and hes willing to trade with anyone. I think Cotto is just too big for him and Im not sure JMMs frame would hold up to the punishment Cotto would deliver. Its not a foregone conclusion that he gets stopped, but I think Cotto had the tools and just the overall size and strength to get it done.
          Again, I think he has a good chance to beat him but stop him? IDK about that, I think your selling him short. Even though JMM is a warrior, he isn't a brawler, he is probably the most intelligent boxer of our time and would devise a great game plan vs Cotto.

          JMM is a beast man......

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          • RL_GMA
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            #25
            Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
            I don't know about stopping him, that's premature. If Floyd and Pac couldn't, what makes you think he could.

            I disagree, I think JMM would go the distance with Cotto, out box Cotto and counter him extremely well.

            I think he might lose at 140 because of the natural size difference but let's not sell JMM short here, he stood in there with Floyd at 144 and lasted, he also took on the relentless punching of Pac for 12 rounds (Even if it wasn't at 140).

            I wouldn't automatically think Cotto stops him, it's hard to stop that Aztec warrior.
            It's two different style match ups. Cotto would actually fight and Marquez I believe still wouldn't back down. Marquez is a great counter puncher, but again, he's dealing with a guy who's going to pressure him, have significant size on him, and has a monster jab. We've seen Marquez against guys who are much less skilled than him put the pressure on him and manage to land significant shots as well as drop him (i.e. Katsidis). I think a bigger, stronger, underrated boxer in Cotto would give Marquez problems, and though I pick Cotto to win at both 140-147, it won't be a full scale annihilation, but I do see him being stopped because of the style match up.

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            • New England
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              #26
              marquez is a far greater fighter

              cotto would beat him at any weight though

              but that's not saying much

              marquez was a career FW and only recently began fighting men larger than lightweight

              he evidently walked around at 133 - 132 for his fit with katsidis

              that means he could possibly even make FW still and could certainy make 130, if that was actually the case and he wasn messing up his english and meaning to say 142

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              • BoxingGenius27
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                #27
                According to Brother Gay:

                1. Cotto aint ****.

                2. He was a paper titlist who never fought a real challenger 140-147.

                3. His only win in Cotto's entire career was over Mosley.

                4. And the list goes on
                Last edited by BoxingGenius27; 08-02-2011, 08:33 AM.

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                • Cuauhtémoc1520
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by RL_GMA
                  It's two different style match ups. Cotto would actually fight and Marquez I believe still wouldn't back down. Marquez is a great counter puncher, but again, he's dealing with a guy who's going to pressure him, have significant size on him, and has a monster jab. We've seen Marquez against guys who are much less skilled than him put the pressure on him and manage to land significant shots as well as drop him (i.e. Katsidis). I think a bigger, stronger, underrated boxer in Cotto would give Marquez problems, and though I pick Cotto to win at both 140-147, it won't be a full scale annihilation, but I do see him being stopped because of the style match up.
                  I agree and think the same I'm just not so sure of the stoppage. I just have seen JMM take so much and fight through it, his heart is without question. Cotto wins at that weight but again, I'm not so sure on the stoppage.

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                  • Deal With It
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                    #29
                    'Marquez beats Cotto @ 140 or 147.

                    Cotto has the size & power advantage (which people are people are putting way to much stock in) And Marquez has the skill and heart advantage, which is much more important.

                    Isn't Marquez the same "blown up" Featherweight that stopped Casamayor (who had previously never been KO'd or beaten decisively) while fighting at a weight he had never fought at before? Casamayor and Cotto are different types of fighters, but are basically the same caliber of fighter.

                    Stop judging Marquez's capability at Welterweight based on the Mayweather fight. The way that fight turned out was a result of a stylistic nightmare of a matchup for Marquez, weight had very little to do with the outcome of that match.

                    Some of you are in for a rude awakening come November, when the Marquez-Pac fight turns out to be alot competitive than you think it's going to be.

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                    • joelab75
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                      #30
                      with size and power Cotto win this one. Cotto is a good boxer not just a brawler. JMM is a little better skill wise but Cotto had won and fought much much better competition in their prime. I wouldnt give JMM any chances of beating Cotto in 140 lbs..weight division are there for a reason.

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