Who has Muhammad Ali beating that makes people think he stand a chance against WK

[The_Expert]

Did you ever stop tothink that maybe all the guys box differently now a days because they learned from watching ali fight..when youre that good, you make good opponents look average

Like Wladimir Klitschko????

[ablindwatchmakr]

the 60 70 80 were nothing compared to todays era. How many soviet boxers fought in those eras?

Today we got boxers from every part of the world. So the talent pool is much higher.

And like I said all the boxers Ali beat would be considered midgets in todays era. Ali would stand no chance against Wlad.

I understand your point that Wlad doesn't get as much credit as he deserves; But I'm not buying the talent pool argument. The conditioning of many of these fighters speaks for itself. The fact that Arreola is competitive and talked about illustrates this point clearly.

[VERILY]

No he does not. Ali was a big HYPE job. He beat all bums

LOL, says the guy with Roy Jones' image tatted all over his junk.


You don't know squat about Ali's ledger if you think bums is all he had besides the two F's and the L.


Larry Holmes is a sweet guy, but sadly delusional and slightly salty that he had to live in a greater man's shadow. That's all.



The cluelessness on this forum could make me weep, if I wasn't as cold as a stone.

[The_Expert]

I understand your point that Wlad doesn't get as much credit as he deserves; But I'm not buying the talent pool argument. The conditioning of many of these fighters speaks for itself. The fact that Arreola is competitive and talked about illustrates this point clearly.

He is talked about because Wlad beat all the others.
He has cleaned up his division. How many boxers have done that

[cupocity303]

Maybe in swimming in track when you base everytthing off of times. But this is boxing this is a real brutal sport and anyone with eyes can tell cassius clay was magic in the ring...liston frazier patterson foreman and shavers...look up there KO ratio before all of them fought Ali.


And being big doesnt make you any greater so what if theyre giants weve seen wlad get beat by bums..he wouldnt survive in that division during the 60 70 and 80s...ali did it for over twenty years ****head

Yes, their KO ratios back up your argument that these guys had ability.

Yet Wlad is just a big guy who got beat by bums. Never mind that Wlad's KO ratio is actually done in a different manner then those guys you mentioned. He actually dominates his guys as a Technical Boxer first before they eventually get TKO'd or throw in the towel. Ali would actually be dealing with a 6'7 Boxer, not a come forward bruiser with a Ko ratio who's weakness is guys with movement.

[sweetscience18]

LOL, says the guy with Roy Jones' image tatted all over his junk.


You don't know squat about Ali's ledger if you think bums is all he had besides the two F's and the L.


Larry Holmes is a sweet guy, but sadly delusional and slightly salty that he had to live in a greater man's shadow.



The cluelessness on this forum could make me weep, if I wasn't as cold as a stone.

I was born in Easton PA and started boxng there when I was young. I still live nearby and see alot of larrys family members at shows..one thing everyone knowsis larry is really sour that towards ali. Larry was a great champ that couldnt get out of his shadow and after he beat ali people hated him even more. Larry learned from Ali he has pictures of him all over his gym

[Alx.]

ali weighed in at like 215 against liston afaik...doubt he went bellow 190 except at the start of his career

he decisions wlad imo, not easy but he does it

[ablindwatchmakr]

George Foreman weighted as much as Chris Byrd.

In todays era he wouldnt be able to bully anyone

True, but Foreman has 4 inches on Byrd. He is only 2 inches shorter than Wlad. He was a big guy.

[sweetscience18]

Yes, their KO ratios back up your argument that these guys had ability.

Yet Wlad is just a big guy who got beat by bums. Never mind that Wlad's KO ratio is actually done in a different manner then those guys you mentioned. He actually dominates his guys as a Technical Boxer first before they eventually get TKO'd or throw in the towel. Ali would actually be dealing with a 6'7 Boxer, not a come forward bruiser with a Ko ratio who's weakness is guys with movement.

Wlads going to outbox Ali because hes bigger?
This is boxing, and in boxing its about who was the most skills...Ali outskills wlad

If hes old and cant move wlad puts it on him but a prime ali is too fast

[The_Expert]

ali weighed in at like 215 against liston afaik...doubt he went bellow 190 except at the start of his career

he decisions wlad imo, not easy but he does it

Tomasz Adamek, Byrd, Chambers all weight 215.

They are considered small. Ali had height and weight advantage against most of his opponents. Against Wlad he would look like a midget