Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez's Trainer: We Won't Go To 168-Pounds

[Ogecca MaMa]

and how he even have fans

[LAFIRPO]

Why does everyone think Mayweather is so big? And yes, Oscar is bigger than Floyd. You just refuse to hear anything anyone is saying. You think Martinez is God's gift to the earth and really think he is actually more talented than Mayweather and Pac. You would love to see an unfair fight between them I have no doubt. Duran is the only one I will concede is reasonably close to Mayweather or Pac in size but that's it. Regardless of whether or not he is, the point which I have repeatedly tried to make is that they should not feel forced into the fight. It makes no sense for them and would be a bull**** victory for the others. And yes, if these other ATG fighters were beating guys who had no experience in their weight division, I'm not so sure I'd be willing to give them full credit.

What exactly is your point? That Mayweather and Pac have not skipped enough divisions? They haven't accomplished enough?

Excuse me, where did I say Sergio is more talented than Floyd or Manny? Where did I write that they are forced to fight Sergio? Have you been reading my post?

And no De La Hoya does not have a bigger frame than Floyd, they both started thier careers at 130, and both have shown that 147 and 154 are not their weight divisions, that 140 was a division that were better suited for both fighters.

If you would have read my post you would know that my point is that niether Floyd or Manny have to fight Sergio, that they are in different weight classes and that Sergio shouldn't be critisized for wanting to and asking to fight Floyd or Manny when history has shown that smaller men have come up to fight at 160. Was is unfair that Duran came up to 160 to fight Hagler? Was it unfair that De La Hoya came up to 160 and fight Hopkins? Was it unfaur that Jose Napoles went up and fought the Carlos Monzon?

Maybe, but they went up to fight the middleweight champion anyway.

So, its not so crazy for Sergio to be calling out Manny and Floyd. That's my point. If Manny and Floyd decline, so be it. But Duran, a career lightweight, and Leonard, a guy who started his career I believe at 130, captured the middleweight crown, maybe Manny and Floyd would want a piece of that division as well. And if they don't thats ok too.

[ablindwatchmakr]

Excuse me, where did I say Sergio is more talented than Floyd or Manny? Where did I write that they are forced to fight Sergio? Have you been reading my post?

And no De La Hoya does not have a bigger frame than Floyd, they both started thier careers at 130, and both have shown that 147 and 154 are not their weight divisions, that 140 was a division that were better suited for both fighters.

If you would have read my post you would know that my point is that niether Floyd or Manny have to fight Sergio, that they are in different weight classes and that Sergio shouldn't be critisized for wanting to and asking to fight Floyd or Manny when history has shown that smaller men have come up to fight at 160. Was is unfair that Duran came up to 160 to fight Hagler? Was it unfair that De La Hoya came up to 160 and fight Hopkins? Was it unfaur that Jose Napoles went up and fought the Carlos Monzon?

Maybe, but they went up to fight the middleweight champion anyway.

So, its not so crazy for Sergio to be calling out Manny and Floyd. That's my point. If Manny and Floyd decline, so be it. But Duran, a career lightweight, and Leonard, a guy who started his career I believe at 130, captured the middleweight crown, maybe Manny and Floyd would want a piece of that division as well. And if they don't thats ok too.

Alright, I can agree with the basic idea of your statements at this point. I still don't think we are comparing apples to apples here with regard to our discussion of weight, but that would take quite a bit of time to resolve. That you are willing to acknowledge the strong possibility that such fights can be unfair is enough for me.

What I will say is this--the fighters of old definitely had bigger balls, and I don't think anyone will deny that! Back then you could lose a fight and it wasn't the end of your ****ing career.

[Spray_resistant]

If he doesn't want to move up then fine because its not fair to expect fighters to move up to fight guys out of their weight class but he is in no way a WW.

[Twako]

The only fighter that has come up 40 pounds is Manny, Floyd started his career at 130. Leonard also started his career at 135, and so did Duran, De La Hoya also started his career at 130, and wasn't he maxed out at 147? De La Hoya at the most was a welterweight, so was Jose Napoles.

Look, I am not saying Manny has to move up to fight Sergio, that his decision. What I am saying is that it's happend before.

All you guys knocking on Sergio for calling out Manny and Floyd and not the super middleweights are pretty dumb. Sergio Martinez is not an idiot, why in the world would he call out guys who at fight night are almost as big as cruiserweights and make a million or two, and not call out the biggest names in boxing and make over 5 millions. It's about exposure and money. And at 37 Sergio doesn't have much time. I never thought Oscar would have fought Hopkins, but he did, so maybe Floyd or Manny will take the bait.

and thats why i said floyd-sergio has more likelihood of happening than pac-sergio. floyd's frame is bigger than pac, who basically you could call a blownup SFW.

but do you see the contradiction and hypocrisy in your post? you wonder why would sergio call out guys who at fight night are as big as cruisers yet call out small WWs who by fight night will face sergio as a SMW?

everyone know its all about money, but why be hypocrite about it? if his trainer said he can make WW, then lets make the pac martinez fight.

[sebastianb7312]

Marvilla n'his team need to stop begging for fgihts 2 weight classes below him, unreal man! U got Sturm! Pirog, Golovkin, JCC and even Abraham now! Wtf are u doin callin guys like Money May n'Manny out! Sure u wanna get paid, but than if it was about Money u wldnt fight No namer in da US like Barker! Man up and fight ppl in ur weight class if ur so Marvelous as u say u are! Stop talkin and start producing! How do u go from fightin P Will, Sergei to Barker! Maravillla is a sick athlete and skilled but to be honest he needs to prove the boxing world he is the elite of the elite by fightin in his own weight class!

[LAFIRPO]

Alright, I can agree with the basic idea of your statements at this point. I still don't think we are comparing apples to apples here with regard to our discussion of weight, but that would take quite a bit of time to resolve. That you are willing to acknowledge the strong possibility that such fights can be unfair is enough for me.

What I will say is this--the fighters of old definitely had bigger balls, and I don't think anyone will deny that! Back then you could lose a fight and it wasn't the end of your ****ing career.

I personally think that Sergio is too big for Manny, however, I used to think that when he moved up to 140 and 147. I thought De La Hoya was going to be too big for Manny, and I was wrong. So, who knows.

In my opinion, Sergio Martinez is a natural 154 pounder. Martinez looked like a half a man against Pavlik, and I just don't mean in height, but in frame, weight and everything else. He moved to 160 because he didn't have a fight coming up and quite frankly he needed to make some money.

Sergio will go down to 154 if the fight is a big one and he can make some money.

But here's the thing, if Sergio can move down to 154, didn't Floyd fight De La Hoya at 154? And Didn't Manny fight Margarito at 154 who at fight night weighed 170 pounds?

My point here is this, it's not only a weight issue because Manny fought someone who is as big as Sergio in Margarito, but it's also a matter of skill. Sergio is much more of a threat than Margarito because of the skill he has. Of course Manny's team aren't dumb, they are aware of this and picked a guy who's been damaged, who is slower, and with little technical ability. I am not knocking Manny's win over Margarito, I am just saying that they picked a bigger guy who is not as much a threat as Sergio Martinez.

But Manny should really stay at 147 and fight the Tim Bradley's of the world. Bradley, in my opinion, would be a legit threat.

[Twako]

I personally think that Sergio is too big for Manny, however, I used to think that when he moved up to 140 and 147. I thought De La Hoya was going to be too big for Manny, and I was wrong. So, who knows.

In my opinion, Sergio Martinez is a natural 154 pounder. Martinez looked like a half a man against Pavlik, and I just don't mean in height, but in frame, weight and everything else. He moved to 160 because he didn't have a fight coming up and quite frankly he needed to make some money.

Sergio will go down to 154 if the fight is a big one and he can make some money.

But here's the thing, if Sergio can move down to 154, didn't Floyd fight De La Hoya at 154? And Didn't Manny fight Margarito at 154 who at fight night weighed 170 pounds?

My point here is this, it's not only a weight issue because Manny fought someone who is as big as Sergio in Margarito, but it's also a matter of skill. Sergio is much more of a threat than Margarito because of the skill he has. Of course Manny's team aren't dumb, they are aware of this and picked a guy who's been damaged, who is slower, and with little technical ability. I am not knocking Manny's win over Margarito, I am just saying that they picked a bigger guy who is not as much a threat as Sergio Martinez.

But Manny should really stay at 147 and fight the Tim Bradley's of the world. Bradley, in my opinion, would be a legit threat.

dude, manny fought margarito at 150 only. and right after that fight, team pac said they'll go back to WW, JMW is too big, unless a very big fight happens at 150 only.

and these all happened even before sergio starched pwill.

[newcastleking]

its not so much about money to him, pac n floyd are the 2 biggest names in boxing, he can smack em both and everyone knows it. pac n floyd both fought at his weight before so whats the problem?

[LAFIRPO]

and thats why i said floyd-sergio has more likelihood of happening than pac-sergio. floyd's frame is bigger than pac, who basically you could call a blownup SFW.

but do you see the contradiction and hypocrisy in your post? you wonder why would sergio call out guys who at fight night are as big as cruisers yet call out small WWs who by fight night will face sergio as a SMW?

everyone know its all about money, but why be hypocrite about it? if his trainer said he can make WW, then lets make the pac martinez fight.

From Sergio's Martinez's perspective it's about money. Again, put yourself in Martinez's shoes for one second, can you see why you would want to target Floyd or Manny. Floyd and Manny are the most popular fighters in the world who bring the most money. If Sergio can make 154, which I think he can, Mayweather has fought at 154 and Manny fought Margarito who weighed in ay 170 at fight night, why not fight Martinez?

Now, from Floyd's and Manny's perspective, why should I fight a strong, skillfull Argentine fighter that doesn't bring anything to the table. It's not as if Martinez is going to bring anything to the table except a diffucult and complicated style. I can see why they wouldn't want to fight Martinez.

However, if Manny wants to stay at 147 that's his decision and thats fine. He's moved up enough and no one should critisize him for not moving up. Same goes for Mayweather.

But Sergio can dream, right? Like I said, many smaller welterweights have gone up to fight the middleweigh champion of the world. The middleweight belt is the most coveted belt besides the heavyweight belt. There is a lot of history there, and maybe, just maybe, Floyd or Manny would take a chance.