Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez's Trainer: We Won't Go To 168-Pounds

[loui_ludwig]

That is a f&cking joke, saying Martinez is a full blown welterweight. So a fighter that is considered a blown up fight is somebody that can make (for example) make the middleweight division, then weigh 10-12 pounds heavier during fight night.

Why so many haters insists Pac should face Martinez. Yes, Pac fought at jr. mw before but it was on a catchweight against Margarito. Pac was 144 during the official weigh in, didn't even make pass the ww limit. Then 148 during the fight night which Pac should be during the official weigh in.

Martinez has fought taller guys in Pavlik and Williams. And since you guys insists that since Margarito has a big weight advantage over Pac, then Martinez should be held to the same standard against the super mw fighters.

Abraham 5'9
Ward 6'0
Kessler 6'1
Froch 6'1
Dirrell 6'2

At first, Martinezz said if there is a fight with Pac, the lowest he would go was at a 156 catchweight. Then Sergio said he can make and will go down to 154. Now his trainer said his really a 147 fighter.

[Boxingtech718v2]

Yeah right I'm losing a lot of respect for Sergio.

[fishman]

"This sergio **hole?". This is what happens when casual fans join a forum. You have no idea what your speaking on. He beat pavlik, when pavlik was champ, and he put the once considered "iron-chinned" williams to sleep in 2 rounds. Remember, everyone was d-riding Williams at one point as a top p4p, until this "Sergio ***hole" got a hold of him. No, Manny would not kill him, and manny knows this, Thats why he will not move up in weight. They are 2 weight classes away from each other. Its not a feasible fight at this point. Same goes for floyd. The issue isnt whose ducking who, these guys arent simply not going to move up and down in weight 2 classes at this point, so the fights arent going to happen. period. If your a fan of boxing you should be able to appreciate floyd, manny, and sergio as great boxers. Not Nuthug one of them and claim the other 2 suck. If you do this, you are NOT a boxing fan, you are actually possibly gay.

This Sergio ass hole is a **** bag a will not go up in weight But wants to fight the Lighter fighters , Manny will Kill Him so would mayweather , He just wants a big pay day

[Illdil]

GOOD IDEA!!!! HAHAHA no seriously those guys up at 168 r straight up monsters!!! way bigger/stronger equally skilled and hits wayyy harder than Serg ...just look at the competition Ward 1 & 2/FORCH/BUTE/KESSLER/Johnson/Bika/Miranda is still very dangerous/AA/ I mean this like the top 9 or 10 i mean these guys r very very tough just cuz of Sergio's size ...but at the same time he cant call out guys that r two divisions lower than him and not like to go up and face 168!! but i aint saying serg is a scared of challenges but its just weight classes r there for a reason and if u cant go up u cant but why did he take all this time off though??? thats strange??

[Illdil]

"This sergio **hole?". This is what happens when casual fans join a forum. You have no idea what your speaking on. He beat pavlik, when pavlik was champ, and he put the once considered "iron-chinned" williams to sleep in 2 rounds. Remember, everyone was d-riding Williams at one point as a top p4p, until this "Sergio ***hole" got a hold of him. No, Manny would not kill him, and manny knows this, Thats why he will not move up in weight. They are 2 weight classes away from each other. Its not a feasible fight at this point. Same goes for floyd. The issue isnt whose ducking who, these guys arent simply not going to move up and down in weight 2 classes at this point, so the fights arent going to happen. period. If your a fan of boxing you should be able to appreciate floyd, manny, and sergio as great boxers. Not Nuthug one of them and claim the other 2 suck. If you do this, you are NOT a boxing fan, you are actually possibly gay.

Damnnnn no u didnt!!!!! HAHAHAHA nah great post

[LeadUppercut]

"This sergio **hole?". This is what happens when casual fans join a forum. You have no idea what your speaking on. He beat pavlik, when pavlik was champ, and he put the once considered "iron-chinned" williams to sleep in 2 rounds. Remember, everyone was d-riding Williams at one point as a top p4p, until this "Sergio ***hole" got a hold of him. No, Manny would not kill him, and manny knows this, Thats why he will not move up in weight. They are 2 weight classes away from each other. Its not a feasible fight at this point. Same goes for floyd. The issue isnt whose ducking who, these guys arent simply not going to move up and down in weight 2 classes at this point, so the fights arent going to happen. period. If your a fan of boxing you should be able to appreciate floyd, manny, and sergio as great boxers. Not Nuthug one of them and claim the other 2 suck. If you do this, you are NOT a boxing fan, you are actually possibly gay.

LMAO

[Brother Jay]

"This sergio **hole?". This is what happens when casual fans join a forum. You have no idea what your speaking on. He beat pavlik, when pavlik was champ, and he put the once considered "iron-chinned" williams to sleep in 2 rounds. Remember, everyone was d-riding Williams at one point as a top p4p, until this "Sergio ***hole" got a hold of him. No, Manny would not kill him, and manny knows this, Thats why he will not move up in weight. They are 2 weight classes away from each other. Its not a feasible fight at this point. Same goes for floyd. The issue isnt whose ducking who, these guys arent simply not going to move up and down in weight 2 classes at this point, so the fights arent going to happen. period. If your a fan of boxing you should be able to appreciate floyd, manny, and sergio as great boxers. Not Nuthug one of them and claim the other 2 suck. If you do this, you are NOT a boxing fan, you are actually possibly gay.

I disagree.

I think Sergio is a crafty and skilled boxer. Great? Hardly so.

This IMO is the problem with fans and fandom itself today. Too many have adopted the MMA mentality where one fighter has 1 or two good fights and they are "great" or "P4P".

I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but let's put something into perspective:

Sergio beat Pavlik when Pavlik was already contemplating retirement having been exposed as limited by Bernard Hopkins. This is not an opinion. Pavlik was trying to make a comeback when Sergio turned the tables on him. I give him full credit for the win, but I don't agree with the accuracy your assessment of Pavlik's standings when they fought. Pavlik has been exposed and it was public knowledge that his confidence had been shattered.

Sergio beat Paul Williams after Williams had been exposed by Carlos Quintana. Quintana landed overhand lefts all night. In their first meeting Sergio did the same and many thought Williams should NOT have gotten the nod. His reputation had already been sullied by that bad call. So when Sergio fought Paul again, he simply timed that left hand better and more accurately. It was a great KO and I give him full credit for that win but don't make it seem like Williams was rock solid at that point. Williams was exposed as having a GLARING HOLE in his defense and he and his team NEVER even attempted to fix it. Lara showed us all that.

Sergio is a crafty and exciting fighter to watch, but calling him great after only having two noteworthy wins in his entire career just serves to add unnecessary hype to a damned good fighter who can earn his distinctions without that hype.

You're not doing him any favors. Hype really is a bad thing because its serves extinguish the hunger in good fighters who still have a ways to go before they can begin relaxing on a career built on a HOF foundation.

Sergio ain't there yet. Most of these so-called "P4P" boxers today aren't there yet. They mostly have one or two noteworthy wins when the networks and magazines jump on their nutbags and call them the "best of an era" and other crazy, unfounded accolades.

Longevity at the top probably counts more than any other factor. Guys like Hopkins and Tszyu weren't fighting stars their entire career. However they became HOFs based solely on the fact that they rules their divisions with an iron fist for close to a decade. Beating great competition is also a huge factor, but the status of the opponent when the fought is equally as important.

I don't mean to get preachy, but I just hate this new system where any assshole who wins a fight with a knockout is automatically a P4P fighter. It really ruins the sport IMO. Boxers used to have to be exceptional to earn distinctions like that. Nowadays all you have to do ins win in exciting fashion and you're all but guaranteed the HOF.

That has NEVER been boxing. Ray Robinson, the man widely considered the best to ever do it, lost his first fight and then went on a 90+ fight winning streak. That is called GREATNESS. Calling winning one single fight or a few fights where you have to dehydrate your opponents to win "great" is an insult to the elite of the sport.

Go look at Julio Cesar Chavez' record. Go look at Ricardo Lopez' record. Go look at Roy Jones Jr's record before he came back down to 175. Those were fighters who did GREAT things and kept on doing them. Those were fighters who won and kept on winning until they either got old or retired.

Their records speak for themselves. To compare Pacquiao to them when his career only became relevant 17 fights ago is a slap in the face. To compare the likes of Margarito, Cotto, Clottey or Williams to those guys is a slap in the face as they pretty much 5 noteworthy wins between them! Same with Sergio. He's no different.

In boxing, boxers have to earn the right to be referred to as "great". You can become a "star" overnight, but becoming a true great takes a career of outstanding achievements.

Everything else is just bull****.

How many boxers have such longevity today?

I'll tell you:

Very, very few.