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  • KJ
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    Toney: Becoming a believer

    After looking at some Toney fights again lately, I am starting to see the possibilities for Toney to become a heavyweight champion.

    It is true he has not fought a "natural" heavyweight until now, so the real test (of theory) is still up ahead.

    Toney is a smart skillful boxer, knows the tricks, has the experience and the ability to adapt during fights. He is very slick, rolls with blows and blocks punches with arms and shoulders. The only downside with this style is that punches blocked with his shoulders or the glancing blows are sometimes counted by the Judges (both Griffin fights!).

    After a clear knockdown by Reggie Johnson (6 weeks after the Nunn war) and (to my opinion) being knocked off balance by RJJ, Tonney never has been down again (and met some hard punchers after that).

    He has both heart and toughness; Toney never gives up and against Brooker he did not react when Brooker started aim punches on his hurt arm (and in doing so giving the impression nothing was wrong).

    Real knockout power he seems to be lacking on this (and cruiser) weight. His high amount punches do wear people down.

    My predictions:

    Against Vitali I think him too slick to be hit on long distance. By closing the distance, with inside fighting he will be able to hit Vitali (not much defense there), hurt and cut Vitali and he will be able to stop Vitali in the late rounds.

    Against Byrd it would go to the scorecards it think, and will be close.

    Against Ruiz, he only have to wait for Ruiz to come, slip the punche(s) and counter. His work inside will wear down Ruiz and Ruiz will be knocked out in the late rounds.

    I hope to see one of these (maybe all ) in 2005
  • Pno
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    #2
    He might need a prep fight that could serve as his proof he's ready for his big shot and un-affected by injuries. maybe a fight like Rahman / Golota (did he already fight either of these? wow the division really is hurting if these are of the top fighters that aren't HW champs.)

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    • Sweet Dick Willy
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      #3
      Toney will never be a world champion at a rate of fighting once a year. Vitali will knock that egghead right off his no having neck shoulders!

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      • Boxer2005
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        #4
        He needs a big fight to prove himself..

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        • KJ
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          #5
          Originally posted by Sweet Dick Willy
          Toney will never be a world champion at a rate of fighting once a year. Vitali will knock that egghead right off his no having neck shoulders!
          Only last year he fought once (for legit reasons). And he does have a neck, below the muscles. Look at one of his old fights to see his neck (the time he fought every 6 weeks).

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          • FibreOptic
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            #6
            Originally posted by KJ
            After looking at some Toney fights again lately, I am starting to see the possibilities for Toney to become a heavyweight champion.

            It is true he has not fought a "natural" heavyweight until now, so the real test (of theory) is still up ahead.

            Toney is a smart skillful boxer, knows the tricks, has the experience and the ability to adapt during fights. He is very slick, rolls with blows and blocks punches with arms and shoulders. The only downside with this style is that punches blocked with his shoulders or the glancing blows are sometimes counted by the Judges (both Griffin fights!).

            After a clear knockdown by Reggie Johnson (6 weeks after the Nunn war) and (to my opinion) being knocked off balance by RJJ, Tonney never has been down again (and met some hard punchers after that).

            He has both heart and toughness; Toney never gives up and against Brooker he did not react when Brooker started aim punches on his hurt arm (and in doing so giving the impression nothing was wrong).

            Real knockout power he seems to be lacking on this (and cruiser) weight. His high amount punches do wear people down.

            My predictions:

            Against Vitali I think him too slick to be hit on long distance. By closing the distance, with inside fighting he will be able to hit Vitali (not much defense there), hurt and cut Vitali and he will be able to stop Vitali in the late rounds.

            Against Byrd it would go to the scorecards it think, and will be close.

            Against Ruiz, he only have to wait for Ruiz to come, slip the punche(s) and counter. His work inside will wear down Ruiz and Ruiz will be knocked out in the late rounds.

            I hope to see one of these (maybe all ) in 2005
            I really do not see him stopping Vitali. If Vitali fights on the outside, it would probably be similar to the fight with Danny Williams.

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            • The1God
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              I too think Toney needs a real HW fight, I think Moorer would be the best option for him at this point. They are both moving up in the ranks (Moorer for the fourth time) or Golata, Oquendo, or Danny Williams! Any of the formentioned fighters would be a stepping stone as well as some proving ground. I would hate to see him jump in right now and fight one of the belt holders (Except Brewster)

              Brewster would be an easy fight for most of the top to mid teir IMHO

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              • FibreOptic
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                #8
                Originally posted by The1God
                I too think Toney needs a real HW fight, I think Moorer would be the best option for him at this point. They are both moving up in the ranks (Moorer for the fourth time) or Golata, Oquendo, or Danny Williams! Any of the formentioned fighters would be a stepping stone as well as some proving ground. I would hate to see him jump in right now and fight one of the belt holders (Except Brewster)

                Brewster would be an easy fight for most of the top to mid teir IMHO
                You are correct The1God. His two fights at heavyweight were against two blown up cruiserweights. One of the two is probably 10 years past his prime and the other never was anything. I will not be a believer unless he can score some wins against legitimate heavyweights. Also, time is really not on Toney's side. He'd better do all this and soon before he becomes too old. By then, it will be "Light's Out" for JT.

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                • KJ
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by The1God
                  I too think Toney needs a real HW fight, I think Moorer would be the best option for him at this point. They are both moving up in the ranks (Moorer for the fourth time) or Golata, Oquendo, or Danny Williams! Any of the formentioned fighters would be a stepping stone as well as some proving ground. I would hate to see him jump in right now and fight one of the belt holders (Except Brewster)

                  Brewster would be an easy fight for most of the top to mid teir IMHO
                  If he fight Moorer people like FibreOptic (see above) will say he only fights blown up cruiser and light heavy weights.

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                  • techn9ne
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by KJ
                    If he fight Moorer people like FibreOptic (see above) will say he only fights blown up cruiser and light heavy weights.
                    why is fat willy back, i thought he was banned?

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