Comments Thread For: George Foreman: Klischko Was Afraid To Engage Haye

[Kagami Taiga]

i dont kno why ppl are mad of this analysis, its true. vlad seemed to be scared of haye's power.

[tusc1976]

I've been indicted before, and have never been found guilty yet. And every time I've been the plaintiff, I've gained the verdict. Of course I'm not talking boxing, and from your comment it seems you may not be either. Else you would not ignore the actual facts.

The facts themselves are there to be seen and read, and also to be understood. The last is neccessary. Who did "BIG" George beat to give him the title of "All time Great". More than half-blind little Joe Frazier, who was a completely wrong match-up as well as already past his best.

The "fight" itself showed that. "Big" George displayed no skill at all, but since Frazier obligingly bent down enough so that he could be walked into and slugged face first, the way "Big" George liked it, well, I suppose that made HIM and "all Time Great" as well........

Lumbering Strength alone is not "Greatness"- skill is required also.

Just my opinion.

On a different point, but one which I have always wanted to know, and you likely have the answer......why is it that the Joe frazier we have seen for the past so many years, seems so wasted away and looks as if he could be blown over by a medium breeze. He looks very gaunt and without a muscle in his body. Is he ill??

Cus D’Amato once said “no swarming heavyweight who ever lived would defeat George Foreman.” and I believe it!
He beats any of the great swarmers including Dempsey, Marciano, and Tyson. It would take a supreme world-class chin and the ability to absorb bone crunching body shots as well as clever defense to survive George Foreman at his best. Lennox Lewis, who was twice knocked out in early rounds by lesser fighters, would fall in two rounds to Big George. Few fighters of history could make the requirement against the most powerful of the big men.

1.He won an Olympic Gold Medal after boxing only 1.5 years and with only 20 amateur fights going into the Olympics. That is just unbelievable, in some ways his most notable achievement.
2.He destroyed an undefeated heavyweight champion who was considered the best heavyweight in the world at the time, crushed him in only 2 rounds and ruined his reputation to this day, Joe Frazier who was a true all time great. Fraizer is an equal to Marciano, but does not get the credit he deserves because of his loss to Foreman.
3.Foreman came back and won the lineal heavyweight title 20 years after losing it. That is just mind boggling. No one and I mean no one else could do that, not Jack Johnson, not Jack Dempsey, not Joe Louis, not Rocky Marciano, and not Muhammad Ali. Nobody.

The only reason Ali won that fight in Zaire was because Ali had a cast iron chin and could absorb tremendous punishment allowing Foreman to out punch himself!
He's not the greatest heavyweight ever but definetly deserves to be amongst the greatest!

[edgarg]

Foreman came back at 45 to become the best heavyweight in the world.

and Norton, who he demolished, gave Holmes a hell of a fight. the same Holmes that would in his 40s beat Mercer much more one sidedly than a near prime Lennox Lewis could.

how can you not see how good that era was? two guys from that era were still getting world class wins two decades later...

When Foreman came back he was 37 years old, not 45. And had had previously comparatively few fights so it was NOT such a tough job to get in fighting shape. Of course he was about 20-40 lbs heavier, which he made no attempt to reduce, so I have never really been sure how SERIOUS his "comeback" actually was.

I believe that it was NOT an attempt to win the title again, but just to earn money to fund a church, as he actually said at that time. {Getting the fight with Moorer was more accident than purpose, I believe}. And he fought a HUGE string of nonen******....HUGE. Well he DID fight a young Dwight Muhammed Quawi, who was outweighed by abour 20 lbs and nearly a foot in height. Quawi was abnormally small, about 5'5"...so do we actually count THAT....??

During his comeback, Foreman fought basically a horde of "tin-cans" the vast majority of whom I had never heard. And THAT'S saying something............

The FACTS are there to be seen by anyone who cares to look, and understand.

[Bierstadt]

Blah, blah, blah.....

FACT:

* Haye is NOT a top heavyweight

* Wlad held considerable physical advantages in that fight

* Wlad did not take any risks at all, and could not dominate or hurt Haye

And who is?

[Klitschko2011]

Someone needs to tell that ****** Foreman that boxing is about HITTING AND NOT GETTING HIT. Wlad has MASTERED the sweet science.

Foreman can't hold Wlad's jockstrap.

Facts about Wladimir Klitschko:

- IBF/WBO/WBA/IBO/RING Unified Heavyweight Champion of The World

- Most dominant Heavyweight Champ of all time

- Olympic Gold Medalist

- 56 wins, 49 knockouts

- has defeated 10 world champions

- has defeated 9 undefeated fighters

- has defeated tons of top contenders

- has made 17 dominant title defences

- he will break Joe Louis' title defence record

Wlad would be too strong, too athletic, too fast, too smart, too skilled and too powerful for the dumb slow one-dimensional punching bag Foreman.

Wlad dominates Foreman.

The Klitschkos are the negrocutioners.

Wlad and Vitali are the two greatest heavyweights of all time.

Either Klitschko beats any HW from any era.

[Klitschko2011]

LOL at the butthurt crybaby Klitschko haters and Haye nuthuggers

Best post of this thread:

Foreman is a jealous delusional moron. His Wlad-Haye scorecard was a fucking disgrace. I think he's upset and bitter because Team Klitschko closed the door on him and made him wait outside during the entrance.

Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye

THE FACTS

Haye was scared shitless. He was afraid to engage with Wlad. He was in survival mode the entire fight. He was running like a scared girl from Wlad the whole fight and was flopping like a coward whenever he got close to Wlad or when he was hurt by Wlad's punches.

Wlad dominated the fight.

Wlad won every round.

Wlad controlled the entire fight.

Wlad was the aggressor from start to finish. He was the pressure fighter and was coming forward the entire fight.

Wlad made Haye look like an amatuer.

Wlad threw twice as many punches as Haye.

Wlad landed twice as many punches as Haye.

Wlad hurt Haye several times and made him spend the entire fight in survival mode running for his life and flopping like a coward.

Haye was schooled, outclassed, beaten up, dominated and humiliated by Wlad.

I scored it 119-107 for Wlad.

Another masterful dominant win for Wlad.

That clueless moron Foreman can go fuck himself.

[rckdees]

big george is absolutely correct. for those who say wladimir dominated,..... when the final bell rang his face told a different story. he wouldn't be a champion if he was facing the second tier talent of the larry holmes era.

[LeadUppercut]

And Joe Calzaghe beat Roy Jones and James Toney lost to Roy Jones and James Toney beat the hell out of Holyfield and Holyfield beat the hell out of tyson and Tyson beat Holmes and Holmes beat Ali. Joe Calzaghe would clearly beat the hell out of Ali. GTFOH with these ****** ass triangle theories.

Also George won a belt, he wasnt champ...he shouldnt even had a shot. Want to talk about a weak as **** era. 1993. 84 year old George Foreman coming off a loss, hadnt won a fight in 2 years got a title shot....GOT A TITLE SHOT. Why? because 2 years earlier he beat Pierre Coetzer? What a joke, he won on a bolo...he couldnt beat Tommy Morrison, what a joke. He was getting beat, hit a guy with a bolo and won, happens sometimes in HW boxing, doesnt mean ****.

Yep.

Triangle theories do not work, period.

But triangle theories that span across different era's are even less successful.

[Steak]

When Foreman came back he was 37 years old, not 45. And had had previously comparatively few fights so it was NOT such a tough job to get in fighting shape. Of course he was about 20-40 lbs heavier, which he made no attempt to reduce, so I have never really been sure how SERIOUS his "comeback" actually was.

I believe that it was NOT an attempt to win the title again, but just to earn money to fund a church, as he actually said at that time. {Getting the fight with Moorer was more accident than purpose, I believe}. And he fought a HUGE string of nonen******....HUGE. Well he DID fight a young Dwight Muhammed Quawi, who was outweighed by abour 20 lbs and nearly a foot in height. Quawi was abnormally small, about 5'5"...so do we actually count THAT....??

During his comeback, Foreman fought basically a horde of "tin-cans" the vast majority of whom I had never heard. And THAT'S saying something............

The FACTS are there to be seen by anyone who cares to look, and understand.

so basically youre saying that a halfhearted non-motivated Foreman still was able to beat the best heavyweight in the world in the 90s, and even at 48 beat a future top ten fighter in the 2000s?
interesting.

he must have been something in his prime.

who cares if he beat up a lot of bums while he was trying to get back in fighting shape. It doesnt change what he accomplished later on.

[LeadUppercut]

And who is?

Vitali Klitschko, the guy who woulda knocked Haye out.