Comments Thread For: Arum: Pacquiao Will Take The Tests, Not With USADA

[AFighter4U]

Answer these two questions, Mr " pacfan with such high moral standards ".

1.) Team Pacquiao gave a grand total of 7 different ridiculous excuses to justify why Manny would not undertake random blood tests without a 24-day cutoff..... which is absurd, because requiring 7 different excuses means that none of them were genuine.

Which one of those 7 ridiculous excuses did you believe ?

Come on man, you must have found one of those excuses to be reasonable, otherwise..... how could you possibly condone a needless action that killed the biggest fight in boxing history?

Plus, your answer will tell me exactly where you are at in terms of your honesty, and integrity, as well as your boxing knowledge.

Which one of those 7 ridiculous excuses did you believe ?

2.) Give me your honest opinion.....

After the Collins/Resto fight, the Collins family sued the commission for failing to protect their son. Bob Arum stated that the lawsuit was " pathetic ".

How does Arum's viewpoint regarding the Pacquiao " lawsuit " compare with his viewpoint regarding the lawsuit that was filed by the Collins family?

KEYWORD: " pathetic ".

This'll be interesting.....

i believe none of them.

it is in manny's capacity to accept floyd's tests. i'm hoping he will eventually decide to do so.

it is ALSO in floyd's capacity to accept the 14 days cutoff. He thought it was reasonable when he offered it to Manny previously, so did Al Haymon and ALL OF GOLDEN BOY.

heck, EVEN VICTOR CONTE THOUGHT 14 DAYS WAS REASONABLE AND PUBLICLY TOLD FLOYD SO.

i'm also hoping that floyd will change his mind again and accept the 14 days he originally offered.

this is all mind games both camps are playing and you are allowing yourself to be ****** in right into it.

i'm firmly convinced that the fight will happen. this is all just one loooong soap opera we are being shown and its up to you to be drawn into it or not.

[tangalog2200]

what the heck does that got to do with negotiations? what happened with williams was indeed a robbery, but that has got NOTHING to do with the negotiations. personally, they should conduct an investigation regarding that matter and williams lost a LOT of credibility in his thinking that he actually won that fight.



sheeesh. more than five paragraphs and you could have simply said, "you are ignoring all of Bob's lies and deceit and i hate you for it! i hate you i hate you i hate you!"

it would have meant exactly the same thing.

i'm not ignoring Bob's lies. nor am i ignoring floyd's lies as well. but what can we do when BOTH parties have shady past?

simple.

you can go about complaining about how untrustworthy Bob is and resort to childish behavior and name-calling when anyone disagrees with you.

or.

you can simply dismiss all that drama and hope that both parties eventually come to an agreement.

very well said.....

no matter what points one wish to convey, post it in an objective and clear manner

[AFighter4U]

very well said.....

no matter what points one wish to convey, post it in an objective and clear manner

THANK YOU!

i'm glad at least someone here appreciates my seemingly futile attempt at a civil discourse.

[tangalog2200]

THANK YOU!

i'm glad at least someone here appreciates my seemingly futile attempt at a civil discourse.

that posters in this forum could have fun, a healthy, clean, objective and mature discussions about boxing will make this forum great and nice to be in..........

as for the thread, both pac & pbf camps i believe are working to find common grounds to make the fight happen....we could only hope they arrive at something positive and concrete.......

any items that seems out of the ordinary or strange or say lies from any of the two camps we should take with a grain of salt...as each camp may just be testing the response/reaction of the other and even the public.......

discussing the particulars of the testing issue is good and we could take positions 180 degrees off from one another and still go at it nicely, civilly and with fun......

i could not see why one side has to bashed the other,,,,we could always agree to disagree....more so if the topic at hand is so complex like the testing issue........

[MindBat]

i believe none of them.

it is in manny's capacity to accept floyd's tests. i'm hoping he will eventually decide to do so.

it is ALSO in floyd's capacity to accept the 14 days cutoff. He thought it was reasonable when he offered it to Manny previously, so did Al Haymon and ALL OF GOLDEN BOY.

heck, EVEN VICTOR CONTE THOUGHT 14 DAYS WAS REASONABLE AND PUBLICLY TOLD FLOYD SO.

i'm also hoping that floyd will change his mind again and accept the 14 days he originally offered.

this is all mind games both camps are playing and you are allowing yourself to be ****** in right into it.

i'm firmly convinced that the fight will happen. this is all just one loooong soap opera we are being shown and its up to you to be drawn into it or not.

The question remains and which you guys could never answer with a logical brain is: "IF 14 days warning was not sufficient the FIRST time it was offered -- Why change your mind later and say the 14 day warning is good now ???"

[sweetscience18]

Idk if this is true but i just came on the forum and I have a feeling alot of threads got deleted today.

I think if you look at the bigger picture, it's pretty easy to see what's going on here. Bob Arum is simply planting the seed for his next excuse as to why they were unable to make the fight. I mean, just think about it for a minute. The interview with Bob Arum was conducted on Tuesday, and yet, I just spoke to Michael Koncz, Pacquiao's adviser, on Wednesday. I asked point blank, "Is testing still an issue," and he said, "Yeah, well we agreed to, in the past, random testing as long as when we get tested, he gets tested, up to 14 days. We're not going to test on the day of the fight. I'm not going to sit here and tell you yes, we'll agree to do tests that day or not." Now, if Pacquiao's camp had agreed to unlimited random testing, as Bob Arum stated, then why didn't Michael Koncz, the man that's supposed to be closest to Pacquiao, tell me that instead of saying, "Will we give blood 5 days, 7 days before the fight? You know, that's something I have to talk to Manny about". To me, that sounds like Michael Koncz had no knowledge of Bob Arum's revelation that they had agreed to unlimited random testing, and there was never any mention of USADA. My conversation with Michael Koncz was after Bob Arum's interview on Tuesday, so why didn't he mention these concerns about USADA's neutrality to me? Did he just miss the memo? Was that a decision that Bob Arum and Manny Pacquiao came to without seeking the advice of the adviser? Those are some of the "hard-hitting" questions I would love for any one of my "peers" to ask Bob Arum. Myself, I won't even bother because I've seen, on several occasions, how quick Bob Arum can shut someone up and keep it moving when he doesn't want to get into any details. He's pretty good at that; just ask ESPN's Dan Rafael (that's happened a couple of times during conference calls and it's always hilarious to hear). At the end of the day, Bob Arum is going to say whatever he wants to say to give the impression that, yes, they do indeed want to make the fight, but unfortunately, there are far too many obstacles that still stand in the way to make it "fair and sensible" to both sides (obstacles that were allegedly overcome and agreed to last year when they issued the July deadline). To me, it's pretty clear as to which side keeps coming up with excuses, whether they're legitimate or not, as to why this drug testing will be an issue.

[tatangb45]

that posters in this forum could have fun, a healthy, clean, objective and mature discussions about boxing will make this forum great and nice to be in..........

as for the thread, both pac & pbf camps i believe are working to find common grounds to make the fight happen....we could only hope they arrive at something positive and concrete.......

any items that seems out of the ordinary or strange or say lies from any of the two camps we should take with a grain of salt...as each camp may just be testing the response/reaction of the other and even the public.......

discussing the particulars of the testing issue is good and we could take positions 180 degrees off from one another and still go at it nicely, civilly and with fun......

i could not see why one side has to bashed the other,,,,we could always agree to disagree....more so if the topic at hand is so complex like the testing issue........

Your patience and civility are very admirable considering the kind of responses some people post in this forum. But there are times when those traits are of no use when dealing with some of the lies and downright trash that are spewed here which ruins even the most interesting discussions.
It is no longer for the benefit of enlightening these particular type of posters, but more about blocking their attempts to spread more distortion and lies, and to expose them for what they are, uninformed s.o.b.s.
It is also for those who do not have enough information to form an opinion and those who have but could not articulate their thoughts. And lastly, it is for those objective people who read this forum so they can see and decide which side brings the more correct and logical arguments.

[GRUSTLER]

What's up my man Grustler? Love your Chigurh avatar. Sick mutha fcuker made me lol.

As far as Mayweather/Martinez. Mayweather would probably come in at 150 and Martinez would come in at 154. Floyd fought DLH when DLH was 170+ pounds. I'm confident that Sergio at 154 will be and easier task. Floyd ain't no Paul Williams susceptible to repeated overhand lefts.

If Kelly Pavlik can hold his own against Martinez for the first half of the fight with his limited boxing skills, it will just be a matter of Floyd counter Sergio often in the beginning so that Sergio won't get overconfident and feel as though he can bully Floyd due to the weight difference.

I don't know fam. Martinez is speedy himself, has power and is technical himself. Homie can take punishment too. If Martinez was to catch Floyd clean like Mosley did, there is a chance it could be a wrap. The thing about Sergio is that he gets better and is hungry, so I believe he would bring the best out of Floyd and Floyd would do the same for him. Pavlik was way bigger and stronger than Floyd (have to keep that in mind). I always said that them two would be a chess match. Better fight than Pac/Floyd because in my opinion. Floyd would mop the ring with lil Pac and so would Martinez. Manny is not in their league. To me. Floyd/Sergio is a 50/50 fight.

[Clint650]

whatever, then don't give the public ****. theres people outside of boxing having debates about wheher they think Manny is on something or not. why would any athlete want this on his hands. clear up the bull**** if it is bull****. thats the bottom line, the more things start to look a little su****ious then you know what, you can;t change peoples opinions about what they think your on.

[tangalog2200]

Your patience and civility are very admirable considering the kind of responses some people post in this forum. But there are times when those traits are of no use when dealing with some of the lies and downright trash that are spewed here which ruins even the most interesting discussions.
It is no longer for the benefit of enlightening these particular type of posters, but more about blocking their attempts to spread more distortion and lies, and to expose them for what they are, uninformed s.o.b.s.
It is also for those who do not have enough information to form an opinion and those who have but could not articulate their thoughts. And lastly, it is for those objective people who read this forum so they can see and decide which side brings the more correct and logical arguments.

got your point crystal clear....

and i understand your view point and respect it as i have to admit there are numerous times when i was tempted to also swing back viciously at very negative, off-topics and indecent posts.

but taking three deep breaths first allowed me to keep a proper perspective.

i just wish to avoid long drawn out negative exchanges that tend to degrade the forum.

anyway, keep up and stay cool....

cheers