Official: Lucian Bute vs. Jean-Paul Mendy RbR + Undercard Discussion

[ChopperRead]

How has Bute proven that? Against who? Which guy he handled was the litmus test of that?



I can't stand Dirrell, but he's fought and troubled better comp than anything Bute's fought (Froch), is athletically better than Bute and is a more awkward style than, and a step up in overall ability from, anyone Bute's been tangling with. There's nothing to suggest that Bute destroys him or even has a relatively easy time with him.

Bute is the most skilled boxer-puncher in the division. His body punching is second to none. His toughest matchup is with Froch, because of Froch's size and toughness. Flopper Dirrell is a joke. Ward is overrated, but might land a wicked headbutt against anyone.

Yeah Bute got caught with a lucky punch against Andrade, so what? He set that right long ago.

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When Bootay ends up down on his knees, sucking a real fighter's **** like a hoe, I'm going to point and laugh at all his fanboys in this thread.



Fuck Loose Bootay. WAR KESSLER.

[Jay Volcano]

When Bootay ends up down on his knees, sucking a real fighter's **** like a hoe, I'm going to point and laugh at all his fanboys in this thread.



Fuck Loose Bootay. WAR KESSLER.

What's your problem ? hahahaha

Kessler was white like a ghost after Bute's match against Magee.

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Bute is the most skilled boxer-puncher in the division. His body punching is second to none. His toughest matchup is with Froch, because of Froch's size and toughness. Flopper Dirrell is a joke. Ward is overrated, but might land a wicked headbutt against anyone.

Yeah he got caught with a lucky punch against Andrade, so what? He set that right long ago.

"Lucky punch", my ass.




The bold is your opinion, utterly unproven. And, BTW, Ward SHITS on Bute and would utterly pick him apart.




I refer you to my previous post for my last word on the matter. Bute is not the goods you think he is - wait and see, son, wait and see. You'll be the first guy whose posts I bump to laugh at.

[ChopperRead]

No, he really isn't that much more legit.



All I see is the people you'd expect to boost Bute, based on his European descent, boosting Bute.


Tell me how you gonna label Dirrell a fraud when you're a Bootay Booster? It's hilarious, completely laughable.

When black people cheer for black fighters, it's cool, but when white people cheer for European fighters, suddenly there's something wrong with it, with racist overtones implied if not directly made. Very hypocritical.

[Faerun]

Again, show me a fight which indicates that Bute could deal with a legit SMW like Dirrell. Bute's best win is Bika against whom he did well but visibly tired towards the end and I hope you agree that Dirrell is a significant step up from Bika.
He is skilled, he is fast, he hits fairly hard, he runs unlike nobody else which makes it hard to outbox him and he's proven his quality against legit opposition.

Bute on the other hand remains an unknown quantity. He might be the next coming of Jesus, he might es well get Lemieux'd once he steps in the ring with a fighter of Dirrell's calibre. Unlike Dirrell he hasn't had the chance to prove whether he can hang with the big guys so how can anybody say he "destroys" Dirrell with a straight face?

[Jay Volcano]

Adam Konitz would probably hate Bute, even if he will knock out Ward, Froch, Kessler, Dirrell and Stieglitz. Hahahahaha!

[Mikhnienko]

How has Bute proven that? Against who? Which guy he handled was the litmus test of that?



I can't stand Dirrell, but he's fought and troubled better comp than anything Bute's fought (Froch), is athletically better than Bute and is a more awkward style than, and a step up in overall ability from, anyone Bute's been tangling with. There's nothing to suggest that Bute destroys him or even has a relatively easy time with him.

I was talking about lateral movement. See below.

Abraham, Froch, Kessler all have problems when prestented with a opponent who uses angles and lateral movement. Bute and Ward are the 2 best in the division at this, ahead of Dirrell, that's the biggest difference between them. Then obviously Bute's size, hand and foot speed, combinations, body punching, power etc. You're too much of a fanboy to see any of this though.

dirrell is athletic but it doesn't mean you have good footwork. Dirrell has no concept of range, when trying to gain space and get on the outside it doesn't mean that you have to literally run to the other side of the ring which is what Dirrell does.

Ward and Bute can maintain the range that they want to fight at and stay on the outside but unlike Dirrell they aren't wasting energy by doing all sorts of unnecessary movement. They're controlled in their approach, Dirrell looks like a dog that has just been let off his leash and is chasing cars up and down the street.

[ChopperRead]

Again, show me a fight which indicates that Bute could deal with a legit SMW like Dirrell. Bute's best win is Bika against whom he did well but visibly tired towards the end and I hope you agree that Dirrell is a significant step up from Bika.
He is skilled, he is fast, he hits fairly hard, he runs unlike nobody else which makes it hard to outbox him and he's proven his quality against legit opposition.

Bute on the other hand remains an unknown quantity. He might be the next coming of Jesus, he might es well get Lemieux'd once he steps in the ring with a fighter of Dirrell's calibre. Unlike Dirrell he hasn't had the chance to prove whether he can hang with the big guys so how can anybody say he "destroys" Dirrell with a straight face?

Dirrell has proven ****. He was lousy against Froch, a Jr. Haye with all the flopping around, and against the limited Abraham, he had totally lost momentum and had to resort to acting to get out with a win.

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What's your problem ? hahahaha

Kessler was white like a ghost after Bute's match against Magee.

Kessler would fight. I don't doubt that a minute. Dude is a serious road warrior. Kessler's people look like they are looking for leverage for fights down the road, so they're picking on one of the sports softer paper titlists in case they can do unification with Froch (if he wins the Six) or Bute later. Pavlik-Bute (my guess for the Fall), Kessler-Steiglitzzzzz, and Froch-Ward is a nice slate at 68.

Given some of the improvements Montoya looks like he's making with Kessler (more uppercuts, the punch he needed versus Ward), the left to the body, Kessler is better off with another live fire exercise.