People Dont Actually Think Joe Louis Would Beat a Klitschko Do They?

[Toe Injury]

deep down everyone knows louis would have 0 chance against fighters like vitali and lennox

but its basic human psychology that we mistify things from the past

a betting man will be all ears, you're never gonna convince a normal "fan" - ie a loser who worships other dudes all day (which in turn begs the question, why do you want to convince them anyway?)

[-Kev-]

It's a fantasy fight.

So you have to give Joe Louis the same benefits of modern boxing.

12 round fight.
"proper" training.
The "right" nutrition.
Etc.

Then we're talking.

[Naps]

Wlad couldn't stop a cruiserweight who didn't punch, yet he could finish Louis in 3? Lol

[them_apples]

I mean wheres Ashton Kutcher? Am I getting punk'd or something? Joe Louis? Its a joke right? 18 year old Corrie Sanders would have been the THIRD FASTEST HUMAN when Joe Louis fought. Like I can totally understand if people want to talk about greatness and accomplishments etc...but in a head 2 head? Joe Louis lived at a time when people thought a healthy diet for a fighter was 3 meals of steak, a few cigs, and a pile of ash. I mean, I dont even know who I am trying to argue against, because I dont think anyone with an IQ...not even a boxing IQ, not even a specific number, but just an IQ would think Joe Louis would beat a Klitschko. Its like laughable, itd be like putting Lebron James out there on a basketball court in the 1930's, or having Michael Vick playing football...athletes are just different now, we understand a lot more about medicine and about recovery and about nutrition.

Want to talk about boxing becoming watered down because of the NBA/NFL...how about because of WWII, or cholera, or the plague or whatever the hell those people died of. Heck, straight up poverty. You think Wlad and Vitali were working on the docks waiting for there shot? Most fighters today get taken in by a trainer or a promoter who sees their skill, pays for everything and then rips them of the rest of their career. Think of the poorest person you know whose not homeless...they probably live better than the top 1% did back then. Decent meals with fresh food, air conditioning and heat, doctors who dont think leaches are the cure for every ailment.

Hell, just look at microfracture surgery, which just became popular 20 years ago. Every athlete with major cartilidge gaps and damage would be done or fade into oblivion at a young age back then, now they go in for a safe surgery and can come back. How many athletes back then had to quit sports because of injuries that can be fixed in a few weeks today. Or how many athletes had to take months and years off for injuries that can be done overnight now. Its such a joke of an argument that any of these old timers could hang with a Klitschko. It would be a freaking massacre.

Athletes in, I dont know, every quantifiable sport have improved to the level that some middleschoolers are beating world record holders of the 30's in sports like track and field and swimming, but no...no, boxing is the one sport insulated by the effects of modern technology and improvements. Also, who would know better about nutrition than the Klitschko's who have thier doctorates in sports sciences.

So again im left completely confused how anyone could actually think Joe Louis would beat a Klitschko...I mean the guys he was fighting also were by todays standards, malnourished, improperly trained, usually cruiser or lhw's, who eithe rby the grace of god never had an injury that required serious surgery or fought through the pain or encumberant of living with that injury etc...

Look, Vitali probably wouldnt have had a boxing career if he was born in Louis's time. He had wayyy too many injuries early in his career and he probably would be lucky to be walking without a cane. So I dont see how one could say the division was harder back when Louis fought...it wasnt. It wouldnt even be a fight. I just read several people post this recently and it blew my mind.

Louis wouldn't beat the K bros imo, but he would beat many of the other Hw's today. Basically anyone who would stand and **** I'd give him a shot.

Boxing has progressed, but at a very slow rate.

I mean I was just watching Benitez the other night, he's just as fast as anyone nowadays.

keep in mind, a HW by the name of George Foreman from another era, came in over weight, and still managed too win a title, even in his old age.

don't under estimate how tough these old boxers were, how hard they worked and some of the tricks they possess.

That said, I would edge the K bros over Louis though. Can't see him being fast enough on his feet to catch up to a 6'7 242 lb man, who does possess good athletcism. That and Louis really doesn't guard his chin well enough from the right cross.

Using abe Simon as an example of why he could beat a K bro doesn't really hold much water. Simon was a human punching bag, that is all.

I'd take Louis over Haye though. I think he'd be tough enough too weather the storm and catch Haye.

[them_apples]

Wlad couldn't stop a cruiserweight who didn't punch, yet he could finish Louis in 3? Lol

not to be flaming but Louis basically would be a cruiserweight in his prime. coming in at under 200 lbs, cut a few lbs of water and viola. He could also be a HW too, he had a pretty strong structure, stronger than Hayes. (bigger head, fists etc).

[Reloaded]

You look better against ordinary competition , the Klits are reining in the era that is full of HW duds , in the Ali era they would be lucky to win a title .

[SirPimpGmoneh]

i would like to respectfully disagree for the following reasons. Your point made about all of the new information a modern fighter has at his disposal is a good one. However, that is not the most important source of information for a fighter; the best teacher for a fighter is himself. Sure team sport games with multiple players requires more of an outside coaches perspective that will evolve with time. Boxing is different though, it is not a team sport every fighter has the possibility of bringing something new to the table, something only he can do.

As for the advances in modern training, I would say there's no way you can say that modern advancements in training and nutrition information is more important than each individual fighter's own training techniques. Techniques that only that fighter will use and know, when your training to kill a man you discover things on your own about your body that goes way beyond what you call modern advancements in conditioning.

Basically, it is silly to say that because a fighter is from a later generation he his better. Btw Frazier destroys the klits easy. working like a black man on a farm proves to provide sufficient training, both mentally and physically which is what makes up a fighter.

The mind of a fighter is something you cant teach.

[MonsieurGeorges]

the thing about these kind of fantasy match-ups is there are so many important things not being addressed


would joe louis get to watch tape or be born in the same year and grow up seeing what all the other boxers are doing stylistically?

If joe louis was going to fight some opponent back in the 30s and wladimir magically teleported to the ring straight from modern times who the **** knows? joe would probably be taken aback because the style and look of the man would be shocking

Joe Louis had more talent for the unique elements of the boxing.I think if Joe Louis came up in the same time with the same mentality he would see wlad as beatable but if he were just thrown into this fight with "the super athlete from the future" he would be befuddled and then lose. If there was a guy like Wladimir in boxing back in the 30s and 40s they also probably would've trained him to throw body punches so it is what it is

[Deal With It]

Louis wouldn't beat the K bros imo

Based on? His nutritional habits? LMAO.

but he would beat many of the other Hw's today.

Louis is capable of beating any top heavyweight in any era, and i have not been presented with any valid reason to believe otherwise.

That said, I would edge the K bros over Louis though. Can't see him being fast enough on his feet to catch up to a 6'7 242 lb man, who does possess good athletcism.

It's already been done, and against a bigger man than both Klitschko's

[MonsieurGeorges]

Based on? His nutritional habits? LMAO.



Louis is capable of beating any top heavyweight in any era, and i have not been presented with any valid reason to believe otherwise.




It's already been done, and against a bigger man than both Klitschko's

c'mon i love the old time fighters but wlady aint primo carnera. primo was a big dude that they tried to teach how to fight, you can knock wlad but he was born over in ukraine somewhere and hes a born fighter who did it all through his childhood. wlad is much more professional than primo. primo might look like he had ok footwork sometimes but he would get clipped and then it was easy to freeze him and chop him down. wlad has a real pedigree from eastern europe where the ams are dead serious. he has a real head on his shoulders

if joe gets in close and wlad relaxes or makes some kind of open mistake then he will get KOed but joe could knock out any human being if he gets inside and works his magic, the question is would he? what he did against primo doesn't make me lean one way or the other