Comments Thread For: Bert Sugar's Take on Mayweather Jr. vs Victor Ortiz

[Realizniguhnit]

It is not about age, it is about experience/maturity.

Boxing is a learning curve man.

There are fighters who are 30 that are still green, and will not develop further.

Ortiz's style is not a good matchup for Mayweather, although it will take pressure to crack Floyd..... but against a clinical technician like FMj, Vic will pay the price for not setting up his game behind an authorative jab.

It leaves him too open and it limits his opportunities.

In saying that, almost everyone on this site underestimates confidence and self-belief, Ortiz fights well to his style and he is right on top of his game.

It is absurd to look at this fight with derision.

Ortiz is CLEARLY the best opponent for either Floyd or Manny, other than Floyd or Manny.

You could be right that Ortiz is still a couple of years shy of his best, but he has never been on top of his game like he is now, he has never been in a better position to grab that fight with both hands like he is now.

And I suspect that your pick could be correct, but I am sure that Ortiz will have his moments in that fight.

Well I guess we can agree to disagree that its not about the age thing like you say because I think we will clearly see the young kid in Victor come out by round 7..confused tired and in a daze lol... he just doesn't have the patience, technical skill, the stamina most of the things that comes with age Victor just doesn't have it right now imo unless Victor can manage to rattle a rusted Floyd early then IDK depending on what Floyd we get he may very well stop Ortiz too young..

[kfcfloydiots]

If Floyd is so mature in the ring, why can't he he transfer some of that outside the ring?

[DominiBox]

No, ring rust will show almost immediately, and so would age.

You are confusing loss of stamina with loss of speed/reflexes/timing.

" Victor does not even have the mental maturity of Juan Manuel Marquez "

Not many fighters in the world today possess the mental maturity of Juan Manuel Marquez.

Mmm.....we could relate it !! It is a matter of styles. If Floyd is getting "old", he would be able to handle Ortiz aggressive assault for 6 or 7 rounds before noting that the timing is not the same.

And about JMM....good point.
My point is, if a guy with the mental maturity of JMM could not find the way to break Floyd's guard.....Will Ortiz be able to do that.

It's a fair question !!

[LeadUppercut]

Well I guess we can agree to disagree that its not about the age thing like you say because I think we will clearly see the young kid in Victor come out by round 7..confused tired and in a daze lol... he just doesn't have the patience, technical skill, the stamina most of the things that comes with age Victor just doesn't have it right now imo unless Victor can manage to rattle a rusted Floyd early then IDK depending on what Floyd we get he may very well stop Ortiz too young..

You could be right there, but his stamina was fine against Berto. I kinda agree, but that would be frustration..... it has happened to every 30+ fighter that Mayweather has ever fought, even including the very experienced Hoya.

It will also happen to Manny Pacquiao.

[LeadUppercut]

Mmm.....we could relate it !! It is a matter of styles. If Floyd is getting "old", he would be able to handle Ortiz aggressive assault for 6 or 7 rounds before noting that the timing is not the same.

And about JMM....good point.
My point is, if a guy with the mental maturity of JMM could not find the way to break Floyd's guard.....Will Ortiz be able to do that.

It's a fair question !!

If Mayweather's timing and reflexes have been affected by the layoff..... it will be apparent almost immediately.

I think (this time) Mayweather will be fine, but, the following saying could catch up to him..... " they never come back ".

He needs to stop being so precious and either remain active, or call it a day.

[mrjoeblive]

No, ring rust will show almost immediately, and so would age.

You are confusing loss of stamina with loss of speed/reflexes/timing.

" Victor does not even have the mental maturity of Juan Manuel Marquez "

[B]Not many fighters in the world today possess the mental maturity of Juan [/B]Manuel Marquez.

very true lead. and the bolded part is very,very,very true. JMM is an elite level boxer and ring tactician. he can change game plans on the fly. when he fought the baby bull, he was losing and he made the needed adjustments and won the fight. i am a huge fan of pure boxers.

[mrjoeblive]

If Floyd is so mature in the ring, why can't he he transfer some of that outside the ring?

this does not make any sense. per your opinion he is immature out of the ring. i know for a fact he does a lot of work for charity that never gets mentioned. and he does not blow his own horn in that regard. but in any sport what a person does in the ring, on the court,on the field, does not translate to who he/she is as a human being. i bet you think the heels in wrestling are really bad men in life.

[jbpanama]

Don't see the Pacquiao/Floyd fight happening anyways. One fighter keeps taking long lay-offs constantly goes into retirement for a year and other one says its up to my promoter all the time.

FRAUD's SOP....PUNK OUT, and MAS PUNK OUT!!!

[amayseng]

If that's the case, age should start to notice from the middle rounds. So i don't agree with sugar on this !!

Like i say....Ortiz is not prepared for a fight this big. Luv that kid, put keep it real. Too much boxing skills.....Victor does not even have the mental maturity of Juan Manuel Marquez...or the ability to adjust.

Those are critical points when dealing with someone like Floyd.

But... It would be nice to see the surprise.

how would ortiz have the mental maturity of jmm when he is 13-14 years younger???

haha

floyd has double the skill than ortiz, but ortiz is young, strong, agile and

most importantly ACTIVE

im 33, and yes im not a pro boxer like floyd, but i have remained active my

entire life, i continue with working out daily, i honestly work my ass off and

i can tell a difference at 33. now floyd is closer to 35 than 34 and his

inactivity makes this fight intrigueing..

ortiz looked great at 147 and showed no signs of slowing down stamina

wise..

what people wont expect is for ortiz to out box floyd, which can be possible

at this point due to ortiz grabbing the first 3 rounds due to ring rust and

maybe 4 more due to activity.....

thats 7 rounds

7 beats 5 everyday

perfectly capable of happening...

[Pacquiao'd]

this bert/?