Comments Thread For: Bert Sugar's Take on Mayweather Jr. vs Victor Ortiz

[flint]

first bert sugar was calling him floyd maynever.and now he's saying that he and boxing has been waiting on floyd.second,without a doubt we will see the greatest technician of this era wether he's fought once or twice in 10yrs.third ortiz is a southpaw boxer puncher.he has a good chance to win this fight.

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The first 2-3 rounds will be interesting...especially if Floyd stands right in front of Ortiz...

Victor's only shot is to catch Floyd early wit a bomb and put him away...he isn't beating Floyd on the cards...


I don't think Victor can shock the world though...it would really be his 2nd time doing so...

[LeadUppercut]

Don't see the Pacquiao/Floyd fight happening anyways. One fighter keeps taking long lay-offs constantly goes into retirement for a year and other one says its up to my promoter all the time.

Well, you are out-of-the-loop, thats for sure.

" Pacquiao, you're next "
~ FMj
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/06...E2%80%93-floyd

When Bob Arum thought that Mayweather would not be fighting in 2011, he publicly stated that " Manny is ready to take the test ".....

http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-manny-ready-tests-floyd-wanted-100-million--38914

So, other than Mayweather and Pacquiao, who else do you think may have a vested interest in not allowing that fight to happen?

[LeadUppercut]

If he wants to be like Donaire, then he can do that. Ungrateful bastards who don't know what contracts mean.

Do you mean, like Manny..... when he signed with Golden Boy ?

[LeadUppercut]

No Bert, the question is... Are we gonna see the same Victor Ortiz from 5 months ago from then? or are we gonna see the Ortiz that we saw down the stretch against Marcos and Lamont?

Which is more likely genius ?

A repeat of the situation we had 3 years ago back when Ortiz was a green kid and fighting out of his natural weight, or a repeat of his last fight?

Where do you think the safe money is ?

[welcometosaigon]

I'll just leave this here.

[Realizniguhnit]

Which is more likely genius ?

A repeat of the situation we had 3 years ago back when Ortiz was a green kid and fighting out of his natural weight, or a repeat of his last fight?

Where do you think the safe money is ?

Listen me and Victor are both the same age, and If Vic was green 2(not 3) years ago then he is green now.. As a 24 yo myself I can tell you the mentality I have now, is the same mentality I had when I was 22 because of the fact that was only a year and a half ago..not a long time in other words...and I've always said that I think Victor is still a little to green to be facing some on the level of Floyd right now, I mean..anything can happen in boxing.... but I'd rather see Victor facing someone of Floyds caliber around 26 27 or so when he's really in his prime. age 24 is still like more of an intermediate level range IMO Victor's certainly NO VETERAN by any means and I think we can all agree on that.. 34 yo Floyd by WIDE UD..

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Listen me and Victor are both the same age, and If Vic was green 2(not 3) years ago then he is green now.. As a 24 yo myself I can tell you the mentality I have now, is the same mentality I had when I was 22 because of the fact that was only a year and a half ago..not a long time in other words...and I've always said that I think Victor is still a little to green to be facing some on the level of Floyd right now, I mean..anything can happen in boxing.... but I'd rather see Victor facing someone of Floyds caliber around 26 27 or so when he's really in his prime. age 24 is still like more of an intermediate level range IMO Victor's certainly NO VETERAN by any means and I think we can all agree on that.. 34 yo Floyd by WIDE UD..

It is not about age, it is about experience/maturity.

Boxing is a learning curve man.

There are fighters who are 30 that are still green, and will not develop further.

Ortiz's style is not a good matchup for Mayweather, although it will take pressure to crack Floyd..... but against a clinical technician like FMj, Vic will pay the price for not setting up his game behind an authorative jab.

It leaves him too open and it limits his opportunities.

In saying that, almost everyone on this site underestimates confidence and self-belief, Ortiz fights well to his style and he is right on top of his game.

It is absurd to look at this fight with derision.

Ortiz is CLEARLY the best opponent for either Floyd or Manny, other than Floyd or Manny.

You could be right that Ortiz is still a couple of years shy of his best, but he has never been on top of his game like he is now, he has never been in a better position to grab that fight with both hands like he is now.

And I suspect that your pick could be correct, but I am sure that Ortiz will have his moments in that fight.

[DominiBox]

If that's the case, age should start to notice from the middle rounds. So i don't agree with sugar on this !!

Like i say....Ortiz is not prepared for a fight this big. Luv that kid, put keep it real. Too much boxing skills.....Victor does not even have the mental maturity of Juan Manuel Marquez...or the ability to adjust.

Those are critical points when dealing with someone like Floyd.

But... It would be nice to see the surprise.

[LeadUppercut]

If that's the case, age should start to notice from the middle rounds. So i don't agree with sugar on this !!

Like i say....Ortiz is not prepared for a fight this big. Luv that kid, put keep it real.
Too much boxing skills.....Victor does not even have the mental maturity of Juan Manuel Marquez...or the ability to adjust.

Those are critical points when dealing with someone like Floyd.

No, ring rust will show almost immediately, and so would age.

You are confusing loss of stamina with loss of speed/reflexes/timing.

" Victor does not even have the mental maturity of Juan Manuel Marquez "

Not many fighters in the world today possess the mental maturity of Juan Manuel Marquez.