Lennox Lewis Vs Wladimir Klitschko

[cupocity303]

Chin wise Lewis has been down twice in his whole career, Wlad 10+. Lewis has also fought bigger punchers than Wlad has.

Steward never said Wlad was a better fighter, he said Wlad had better boxing fundamentals. Not the same thing at all.

Wlad is 1 inch taller but Lewis has a 3 inch reach advantage.

Lewis showed he can adapt and fight many different ways, Wlad fights the same fight every fight.

Wlad won't go on the attack or throw anything other than a jab unless he's in complete control. Problem with that is Lewis had one of the best jabs in HW history too.

Lewis was very strong and knew how to fight and rough up on the inside, which is trouble for Wlad because that holding he does wouldn't be so effective against Lewis.

Wlad would never get comfortable enough to start unloading, he doesn't open up until he is. Lewis would be on him from the opening bell which doesn't allow Wlad to fight the only way he can and would be taking shots when he tries to clinch Lewis. I honestly don't see how Wlad could beat Lewis at all.

I don't agree with your premise. Lewis doing different things is a hindrance, not an advantage, especially in this fight. It means that he hasn't perfected his tall-man style of fighting. Wlad has learned how to properly hold, not to get uppercutted in between a clinch by a 6'6 guy.

There is honestly no way to debate this on a point by point basis, unless we assume that it will turn into a Leonard Vs Hearns type deal, where one guy changes his style for that fight. Discounting the possibility of either guy getting clipped and knocked out (which can happen) before the fight even gets started, I can't see either one of them imposing their will on the other.

It could be a technical, boring fight. I can see it being similar to Haye-Wlad. I can't see anybody flat out OUTBOXING Wlad, not even Lewis.

[cupocity303]

50/50 means you aren't leaning towards anyone, how hard is it to understand that 50/50 means equal chance?

50/50 and qualifying it by saying who you favor is different. It means that you're practicing a healthy dose of Fallibilism.

It doesn't mean that you're not allowed to opine on the fight. How hard is that to understand?

[cupocity303]

Also, those of you who are confident in Lewis winning by speaking in clear terms, are doing so from the position of knowing that he (Wlad) will never get the chance to prove you wrong. You thumb your nose at his competition because you're resigned to the fact that he is probably just gonna keep dominating till age 40, absent of an upset shocker.

[DreamFighter]

[SIZE="3"]50/50 and qualifying it by saying who you favor is different.

if you are favouring someone then why say 50/50? you mean exactly NOT 50/50 by favouring someone. You mean ANY combination of odds, 49/51 even BUT SPECIFICALLY NOT 50/50.

Noone is saying you shouldn't be allowed to opine on the fight, so don't try pulling that one.

to underline that factuality, heres a quote -

How hard is that to understand?

[DreamFighter]

of an upset shocker.

by definition, an upset shocker would mean that you favoured Lewis to win, or else it wouldn't be an upset shocker.

[cupocity303]

by definition, an upset shocker would mean that you favoured Lewis to win, or else it wouldn't be an upset shocker.

I'm not gonna engage a dimwit. That last part you isolated clearly wasn't meant for Lewis Vs Wlad. Bad comprehension on your part.

Further reason why to stop responding to you. Now go back into hibernation, mutant.

[DreamFighter]

I'm not gonna engage a dimwit. That last part you isolated clearly wasn't meant for Lewis Vs Wlad. Bad comprehension on your part.

Further reason why to stop responding to you. Now go back into hibernation, mutant.

I can smell why you are disengaging. So you don't agree that an upset shocker would mean you expected Lewis to win ie favoured Lewis? Its not even 50/50, it'd be an upset shocker. That means you favour someone!

By admitting that you expect an upset shocker, you aren't prepared to admit that this means you are admitting the odds are against Wlad?

What universe does your mathematics operate in?

Either its an upset shocker or its not, you cant claim that a wall is painted both black and white unless you are blind.

[Weltschmerz]

Lets break this down. Chin wise, they're about even. Jab, Wlad is probably better. Neither guy is exactly Amir Khan. They both got dropped by pretty power punching Heavyweights. Didn't someone credible say (Roach) that Wlad punches harder than Tyson?

Wlad is taller and even their trainer Stewart thinks that Wlad has become a better fighter, or shall we say a more EFFECTIVE fighter. Because one could say that Lennox punches to the body and is willing to mix it up. That however may not be an advantage but a disadvantage. If you can do more with less, more power to you. If Paul Williams could get away with being the tallest Welterweight/Jr.Middle and just throw his jab and right hand, he would do it. Instead of fighting like a 5'6 guy.

Unfortunately, doing what Wlad does is also a talent, not a given because of his height. And there have been a stew of fresh Heavyweights who even taller than Wlad coming in, and they're not doing as well because they're not as skilled as he is.

Good post.

[Simurgh]

51:49 for wlad

DF strikes again
this time with lectures in math. man it's weekend, take it easy, lol.

[Weltschmerz]

Actually that's not how it works. In this case styles really do make fights. Lennox is a bigger styles nightmare to Wlad than even Peak Tyson. Lewis got everything Wlad got but he's much more aggressive and have a much heavier inside game. He's just as big and have a longer reach.(By a noticeable margin too)


Wladimir's only advantage is his supposedly better jab.
Even that is a facade.
The reason Wlad's 'jab' looks slightly better is because Wladimir uses his jab for a different reason than Lewis do.

Wladimir fights behind his jab and use it as his primary source of defense/offense. It is literally his bread and butter+his straight right.
Lewis uses his jab to set up combinations and a variety of offensive on slaughts which immediately follows. Wladimir's jab will obviously look better because he emphasize on it more, he needs the jab. Lewis have a great jab but it by no means is his primary weapon. He got very good infighting techniques for a 6'5 243 pounder. Upper cuts, short hooks to the body, combinations, rough house tactics, he used them all. Watch the Grant fight, he literally took Grant's soul with his inside aggressiveness.

In terms of 'big punchers' and 'dangerous fighters' Lewis sure as hell fought a lot more dangerous fighters as compare to Wlad.

Byrd and Sultan are good boxers, but let's be honest. The only 'dangerous' big punchers Wlad fought were Peters-Sanders-Brewster-Haye,
And he went 2-2 against them, he was also floored multiple times against Peters.

Prime Tyson is a bigger stylistic nightmare for Wlad than Lennox. Prime Tyson might get on the inside of Wlad and rough him up.

Wlad might control Lewis with his stiff pole jab jackhammer, but he'd have more trouble with Tyson's bobbing and weaving, and Mike's ferocious, vicious uppercuts.