WLAD is the greatest heavyweight ever, Fact

[hweightblogger]

Lol you posted a couple pics of them off the ring and that proves that all of them were fat?

this is ridiculous, you just cant deny the fact that they're much better conditioned than most heavyweights today, this is plain to see through film.

Don't see anything of the sort. Just look how finished Ali and Frazier were after a few rounds although they are some of the most featherfisted champs of all times and pretty slow.

The 1970s were really bad. Nothing compared to the explosiveness of 1980s or 1990s. Not as bad as Mack's era or as Langford's era, but pretty bad.

They were all slow cruisers. And in case of Ali and Frazier they were slow OVERWEIGHT cruisers.

I also like this picture of muHAMmad, the seasoned BUTTERfly:



And hey, here we have "The greatest Clay" with yet another superbly six-packed champ of yesteryear:



Is it Sam Peter? No, Sam Peter has a sixpack!
Is it Buster Mathis?

No, it's Clayman vs EATON Assassin

[kendom]

Because he LOST against Foreman and Shavers.

Geezes, the same nonsense from CLAYtons again and again. Mentioning LOSSES as proofs of greatness.


Get over it. Ali's trainer manipulated the ropes. Has nothing to do with conspiracy.


Mike Tyson out-weighed most of his opponents in the 80ies (25x heavier, 11x lighter). In fact he did that far more than Wlad.

The same case with Shavers. In fact, in the 14 losses Shavers had 9 were BEING OUT-WEIGHED.

Ali was also a notorious out-weigher, Foreman even more so.

Weight plays a huge role. Shows you what a superior class Wlad is, since he outweighs his opponents less than Ali or Foreman, yet KOs them faster.


And KOed a median opponent of 200lbs. Yawn.

Shavers would be considered a featherfist nowadays as I wrote at:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...s#post10372021

Were Foreman and Frazier the only good fighters he faced, he had good wins the point youre avoiding is that he faced much much better competition that Wlad ever did

Lol just deal with the fact that he defeated Foreman

Thats not the point he point was he weighed what he weighed and was able to knock out people who much heavier than he was , weight doesnt play a huge advantage it makes NO difference in power its about other factors that detemines whether a fighter has punching power
or not

And LOL Shavers featherfisted?I take the word of Ali, Holmes and Ron Lyle anyday over yours, your jEveryone knows punching power is something youre born with, if weight just being outright ridiculous, and you have no evidence to back it up than "he's lighter" it means nothingand chin isnt determined by how much you weigh, Tyson was able to ko ppl weighing over 240lbs yet Holyfield was eating his punches. if weight was big a factor then i could just bulk myself up and become a Tyson!!

[hweightblogger]

How does it feel to be the only one who's right and everybody else is wrong? Is it like driving down the freeway and everybody else is driving in the wrong direction?

Nearly the only ones who insists on The greatest Clay's superiority are Americans. No wonder, they don't have anyone else.

[hweightblogger]

Were Foreman and Frazier the only good fighters he faced, he had good wins the point youre avoiding is that he faced much much better competition that Wlad ever did

That a half-blind could be world champ shows you what a bad era it was.

Lol just deal with the fact that he defeated Foreman

He defeated him under dubious circumstances. A contested KO.

Thats not the point he point was he weighed what he weighed and was able to knock out peoplewho much heavier than he was , weight doesnt play a huge advantage

Yeah, that why there aren't any WEIGHT classes and never will be.

And LOL Shavers featherfisted?I take the word of Ali, Holmes and Ron Lyle anyday over yours

And I take Shavers ACTUAL RECORD over the words of Ali.

[kendom]

Don't see anything of the sort. Just look how finished Ali and Frazier were after a few rounds although they are some of the most featherfisted champs of all times and pretty slow.

The 1970s were really bad. Nothing compared to the explosiveness of 1980s or 1990s. Not as bad as Mack's era or as Langford's era, but pretty bad.

They were all slow cruisers. And in case of Ali and Frazier they were slow OVERWEIGHT cruisers.

I also like this picture of muHAMmad, the seasoned BUTTERfly:



And hey, here we have "The greatest Clay" with yet another superbly six-packed champ of yesteryear:



Is it Sam Peter? No, Sam Peter has a sixpack!
Is it Buster Mathis?

No, it's Clayman vs EATON Assassin

LOL finished after a few rounds? the thrilla in manilla was one of the most exciting fights in hstory and stretched over 14 rounds, and Frazier featherfisted? which is why hes among the top 40 p4p punchers ever by ring magazine,well of course when hes training inbetween fights hes going to be overweight these photos prove nothing apart from your vitriolic dislike of Ali and lack of boxing knowledge.

[kendom]

That a half-blind could be world champ shows you what a bad era it was.


He defeated him under dubious circumstances. A contested KO.


Yeah, that why there aren't any WEIGHT classes and never will be.


And I take Shavers ACTUAL RECORD over the words of Ali.

No it doesnt its a testament to Fraziers heart and determination, and about weight classes that was not the point, the point was among the heavyweight division weight does not make one automatically better when he is lacking the skills to compete, weight is the sole argument you put forth against old timers. You dont think that 260 pounders existing in Louis time? why werent they champion? and Shavers record demonstrates what a mighty puncher he was and there would be absolutely no reason to doubt the words of Ali, just face it you have a violent dislike of Ali and lack of boxing knowledge, thats why you keep making poor rebuttals, you refuse to acknowlegdge old timers and keep presenting poor rhetoric and nothing but your opinion to back up your claims.

[Mr. Invincible]

Ok so Wlad beat:

David Haye, a Cruiserweight with heavyweight wins over the likes of an over the hill, never much good in his prime anyway, John Ruiz and the plodding Valuez, was no bigger than many of Ali’s 70’s contender who you dismissed as too small. Bob Foster may have had no heavyweight pedigree but he had a HoF career as a light-heavy and was actually no smaller than Haye. Both Haye and Foster were 6’3, Foster had a 79 inch reach to Haye’s 78. The weight discrepancy between Ali and Foster was no different to the weight advantages that Wlad had in most of his title fights.

Chris Byrd, was a good fighter but he made his made his pro debut at Super-middleweight and bulked up to go for the bigger pay days at heavyweight. He was naturally no bigger than many of Ali’s contenders. He had a very good heavyweight career, twice capturing versions of the heavyweight title, but he’s unlikely to be considered as a Hall of Fame entrant

Ruslan Chaegev, was WBO champ going into the Wlad fight, having beaten the unco-ordinated giant Valuez for the title and churned out ugly as *** victories over Matt Skelton and Carl Drumond. I fail to see anything that would suggest this guy was superior to most of Ali’s contenders.

Sultan Ibragimov, was WBO champ going into the Wlad fight, but had a second rate resume containing wins over washed up Holyfield and Briggs.

Hasim Rahman, had a championship KO victory over HoF Lennox Lewis, but that was 7 years before the Wlad fight. Since then he had lost to Ruiz and Maskaev and been shown up by James Toney.

Sam Peter, would have been a feared puncher in any era. Wlad showed a lot of skill and heart to come back from the knockdowns he suffered in their first fight, but that fight did highlight the probs with Wlad’s chin.

Ray Mercer, fat, limited American heavyweight.

Francois Botha, gatekeeper type, always lost to the top guys.

Eddie Chambers, solid contender. Best America had to offer, but lost to Europe’s best Wlad and Povetkin.

Tony Thompson, only his size convinced some people he might be a contender to Wlad.

Despite all that you wrote I still don't see how you can say Wlad fought the tougher fights.

Thanks for listing those, that's a very respectable , sturdy resume. Wlad more-less ruined them all. Time will tell.

[Mr. Invincible]

Lewis would've stopped him in 2 rounds

If Lewis was caught by Wlads money punch he too could have went to sleep within two. Lennox was a sucker for a good right hand.