WLAD is the greatest heavyweight ever, Fact

[JAB5239]

If Wlad fought Norton I don't doubt that Wlad would knock him out. That doesn't change the fact he is still better than the vast majority of Wlad's opponents.

In the future when boxing historians and fans will look back on footage of Norton vs Ali, or vs Jerry Quarry, of vs Holmes and think, yeah this guy has the skills to worry most champions in history. There are questions about his chin, but then those same questions exist with Wlad.

Are boxing historians gonna look back on Chagaev vs Skelton or Chagaev vs Valuez and think the same? Or Ibragimov vs Briggs? I really doubt it.

And as for Samuel Peter ruling an era, don't be ******, his punching power would be feared in any era, but he's otherwise limited. He's Earnie Shavers but fatter.

If you believe that Wlad would still dominate in Ali's era that ok (though I don't agree with it) but I really object to your claims that Ali's era was weaker than the current one cos that is so obviously untrue it's unreal.

Excellent post except the Sam Peter/Shavers comparison. Peter was heavy handed but never had the kind of knock out pop Earnie had.

[Welsh Jon]

Excellent post except the Sam Peter/Shavers comparison. Peter was heavy handed but never had the kind of knock out pop Earnie had.

I agree Shavers was better than Peter. I just meant if you dropped Peter into the 1970's he wouldn't dominate the era like that joker suggested, he would just be a feared puncher who would never quite make it to the top, much like Earnie Shavers was.

[BattlingNelson]

Wrong, Wlad is so good that he makes his opposition look bad.

Yeah I guess that's remotely possible.

Ali was so bad, that he made his opposition look good.

Wtf. Lol.

Just think about alf-blind Frazier.

The Foreman fight is what would have happened to Frazier in modern times.

Yet Ali went full 3 fights with him because Ali makes his opposition look good by STRUGGLING. Whereas guys like Sam Peter or Haye would have ruled entire eras and Wlad bummifies them.

Wtf???!!!

The same with Norton who got demolished by the first hard punchers he faced.

It's only because of featherfist Ali that Norton could shine.

Hey man. Take a break from posting. You'll feel better.

[JAB5239]

I agree Shavers was better than Peter. I just meant if you dropped Peter into the 1970's he wouldn't dominate the era like that joker suggested, he would just be a feared puncher who would never quite make it to the top, much like Earnie Shavers was.

Ahh, I gotcha. Keep up the good posts.

[hweightblogger]

Ken Norton fought George Foreman, Ali, Shavers much tougher opponents than Klitchsko ever faced, again your argument against him is just a weak attempt to destroy his credibility, give me a good reason why he wouldnt be champion today apart fom the usual rhetoric

Because he LOST against Foreman and Shavers.

Geezes, the same nonsense from CLAYtons again and again. Mentioning LOSSES as proofs of greatness.

It wasnt a highly doubtful win Foreman was just making excuses why dont you just face the fact that Ali defeated him rather than coming up with conspiracy theories.

Get over it. Ali's trainer manipulated the ropes. Has nothing to do with conspiracy.

So his size means his heavyweight power is overrated? when will you learn that punching power isnt about size, mike Tyson was most effective in terms of power in the eighties when he weighed about 217-219 lbs

Mike Tyson out-weighed most of his opponents in the 80ies (25x heavier, 11x lighter). In fact he did that far more than Wlad.

The same case with Shavers. In fact, in the 14 losses Shavers had 9 were BEING OUT-WEIGHED.

Ali was also a notorious out-weigher, Foreman even more so.

Weight plays a huge role. Shows you what a superior class Wlad is, since he outweighs his opponents less than Ali or Foreman, yet KOs them faster.

not much heavier than Shavers, most of the strongest heavyweight punchers didnt weigh more than 225 lbs.

And KOed a median opponent of 200lbs. Yawn.

Shavers would be considered a featherfist nowadays as I wrote at:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10372021&highlight=shavers#post10372021

[GRANDSLAM]

Lewis would've stopped him in 2 rounds

[King Kong]

Wlad is great, but don't be ******, he isn't the greatest, not by a long shot.

Ali may have fought lighter opposition than Wlad but he fought better opposition. Weight doesn't translate into skill or all-round better fighting ability.

Frazier alone is better than anyone Wlad has fought, and that's not even mentioning the likes of Foreman and Liston. \

[hweightblogger]

Wtf???!!!

Yes, Haye would be a massive force in any era, but I don't insist on Haye or Peter. I just randomly named 2 names.

Half of Klitschko's other opponents would be rulers of the 1970s. Not necessarily of the 1990s but they would have been a superior force in the 1990s, too.

I have watched too many fights of the "golden" age to be impressed. Ali was the king amongst the blind.

Hey man. Take a break from posting. You'll feel better.

Hey man, wake up to present time, for example by changing your username to a fighter who didn't box more than one hundred years ago.

[hweightblogger]

Frazier alone is better blinder than anyone Wlad has fought

Fixed it for you.

[BattlingNelson]

Yes, Haye would be a massive force in any era, but I don't insist on Haye or Peter. I just randomly named 2 names.

Half of Klitschko's other opponents would be rulers of the 1970s. Not necessarily of the 1990s but they would have been a superior force in the 1990s, too.

I have watched too many fights of the "golden" age to be impressed. Ali was the king amongst the blind.


Hey man, wake up to present time, for example by changing your username to a fighter who didn't box more than one hundred years ago.

How does it feel to be the only one who's right and everybody else is wrong? Is it like driving down the freeway and everybody else is driving in the wrong direction?