Bold Statement: Haye Actually Exposed Wlad

**Dave Rado** · 07-03-2011, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by Chadmazing

Haye lost, stunk it up, and should retire from embarrassment. Don't get that twisted. Still, I think he shattered the myth that the 'small' heavyweight is obsolete. Haye gave tons of trouble to Wlad's rhythm with limited foot work. Small, mobile, IN SHAPE heavyweights are still what we need to focus on.

I'd take Adamek to outpoint Wlad - but that doesn't mean Wlad can't knock him out somewhere before it's over. I'm inclined to say 'bet the house' on Adamek over Vitali but only tentatively since Vitali isn't his brother no matter how much they get grouped together. There are certain things they do different that must be accounted for but I'd also take into account that Haye moved laterally a little bit and got under Wlad's shots most of the night. Adamek is a lot better at doing what Haye did even if he lacks the athletic qualities.

Adamek couldn't win a round against either brother. He was lucky to get past Arreola.

**vacon04** · 07-03-2011, 01:23 AM

I have to disagree, Haye in fact was the one who had to adapt to Wlad's rythm and fight pace. He gave Wlad problems to KO him because he entered survival mode, he realized that it was going to be really hard to beat Wlad and decided to run.

About Wlad, how was he exposed? He was the same Wlad we have seen in the past fights, he clearly won the fight, I thought Haye won 3 or at most 4 rounds, and yeah he was unable to KO Haye because the guy was afraid to engage, he was extremely defensive, and as he wasn't throwing punches and was runnig it was hard for Wlad to land some power punches on him. Also credit to Haye's chin, he did took a couple of hard right hands that could have KOd him, but he took them pretty well.

**Toe Injury** · 07-03-2011, 01:29 AM

wlad fought exactly the same way he always does, if you can't even force a guy to change it up a little to beat you then you aren't exposing anything

**Noy** · 07-03-2011, 01:34 AM

agree with others - wlad was not exposed, it was haye who changed his style for wlad.

**Chadmazing** · 07-03-2011, 01:36 AM

Haye didn't really "run" so much as he "did not fight". Part of being the small heavyweight is a stamina advantage. I'm totally perplexed as to why Haye didn't throw more. He was always within Wlad's reach - this isn't running. He just actually moved his feet (and Haye has a too wide stance like Berto to have good foot work) a bit and Wlad had trouble hitting him. Get a heavyweight that moves better and will score points and Wlad has to win by KO.

I see Adamek nullifying Wlad's jab by moving away from it just like Haye, getting underneath lead power punches (thanks to a stifled jab) and then countering with flurries to the body.

Funny thing is - Wlad is a highly athletic 'super' heavyweight but he's so used to fighting slop that he is flat footed. Trust me, a heavyweight that moves better than Haye will move around Wlad quicker than Wlad can match him. If this theoretical mobile heavyweight remembers to at least match Wlad on points round by round he will take the decision if he can get to one.

**Chadmazing** · 07-03-2011, 01:39 AM

PS: I think Hopkins could do it better than Adamek.

**daggum** · 07-03-2011, 01:39 AM

a 210 to 220 pound in shape heavy will always have a better chance than a 240 pound blob who is just a sitting duck for the klitschko's length. haye just isn't that good of a boxer. he's a poor man's jean pascal. you need to be an exceptional boxer when going up against someone with that much size advantage and i'm not seeing any larry holmes type boxers around.

**paulf** · 07-03-2011, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Chadmazing

Haye lost, stunk it up, and should retire from embarrassment. Don't get that twisted. Still, I think he shattered the myth that the 'small' heavyweight is obsolete. Haye gave tons of trouble to Wlad's rhythm with limited foot work. Small, mobile, IN SHAPE heavyweights are still what we need to focus on.

Adamek is a lot better at doing what Haye did even if he lacks the athletic qualities.

Nah man. Not at all. I don't see it.

Adamek has terrible footwork. Haye's foot and handspeed is what got him inside to land those few good shots he did land in the fight. Adamek wouldn't have had the lateral movement to handle Wladimir's nonstop attack.

Adamek would have to completely stop moving and trade with Wlad if he wanted to land anything at all. Wlad, now allowed to plant his feet, would knock Adamek senseless.

The only thing Haye exposed was Wladimir's ability to fight out of his comfort zone and still win easily.

Adameks got a much better shot with Vitali, due to his age. He's slowed down a lot and Sosnowski, who's not all that good, was able to land a good amount of shots on him. Let's see what Adamek brings to the table.

**Davros?** · 07-03-2011, 01:43 AM

The both fought the same way they always do, Haye fought the same way he did against Valuev trying to steal each round with a few power punches but didnt have the ability to win, Wlad did his usual jab right hand style but struggled to land clean on Haye due to Haye's upperbody movement and didnt seem to have the arrary of punches to finish the job mostly because he couldnt land the jab clean to setup the rest of his punches. Wlad did enough to win.

As for small heavyweighs the past ones were much more exciting to watch and had much better fundemental boxing skills than Haye does, but that doesnt mean they would all beat Wlad. I favour a guy like Holyfield who can double up his jab and come in with great combinations and has good side to side movement, but some of the guys like Walcott would struggle to beat Wlad (i remember watching Walcott strugle against a few taller guys who where not as good as Wlad). Adamek remindes me a bit of a poor mans Holyfield but with less power and less ability i think he could have his moments against Vitali who is slow but would struggle with Wlad.

Bold Statement: Haye Actually Exposed Wlad