Wlad and Hayes POWER vs Shavers and Foreman

[D4thincarnation]

And Ali had probably the greatest durability of any heavyweight boxer in history.

Ali schools Wlad before KOing him in 6.

[D4thincarnation]

No answers?

I thought as much.

[RurouniYume]

And Ali had probably the greatest durability of any heavyweight boxer in history.

Ali schools Wlad before KOing him in 6.

I agree, Wlad couldn't last the 8 rounds Foreman did with Ali. lke Wlad as a boxer of this era though

[jtiger777]

nobody hits harder than shavers

[boxingsmash69]

Are we forgetting about the weight factor? Today's heavyweight division may have a much lower level of talent pool, they are are huge compared to the past heavyweights.

Could you imagine Rocky Marciano trying to steam roll Vitali Klitschko?

To say Wlad (240-247lbs) hits just as hard, or harder than Foreman (220lbs against Ali) wouldn't be so surprising.

[edgarg]

Never seen Wlad or Haye, lift a world class boxer 6 inches off the ground with an uppercut.

You didn't either, not if you are thinking of that little hop/stumble that Frazier made in the Foreman fight.

That was a delayed reaction to a punch, not "lifted, not levitated, nor floated", nor ANYthing other than a delayed reaction stumble, and trying to retain balance whilst tryignt o get away from punching range.

[edgarg]

I agree, Wlad couldn't last the 8 rounds Foreman did with Ali. lke Wlad as a boxer of this era though

You should learn something about both boxing, and boxing history before making such sweeping, highly inaccurate statements. Ali had some very bad habits which, when he slowed down, put him in the shape he's in today. Nat Fleischer and other experts prophesied that very same future for Ali. I have the evidence.

Klitschko is a far better boxer than Ali ever was. Ali was faster on his feet, a faster punch, but not top heavyweight power, not even as much as a klutz like Haye, although they are comparable in size, weight and height.

Just trying to be helpful.

[FrankieBruno]

Are we forgetting about the weight factor? Today's heavyweight division may have a much lower level of talent pool, they are are huge compared to the past heavyweights.

Could you imagine Rocky Marciano trying to steam roll Vitali Klitschko?

To say Wlad (240-247lbs) hits just as hard, or harder than Foreman (220lbs against Ali) wouldn't be so surprising.

if you went back in time, wlad would not have half the training tactics available to him then that he has now. The conditioning, the knowledge, the supplements, the technique is far far improved now, because of the building blocks set over the years.

Throw a guy with Ali's skill in this day and age and give him all the things we know now and he'd be 1000 times more deadlier.

Kilt in Alis day would not have been as muscular or heavy, he'd been very big and sloppy, with far less skills, than he has now...

[edgarg]

And Ali had probably the greatest durability of any heavyweight boxer in history.

Ali schools Wlad before KOing him in 6.

That's nonsense, he cannot be compared to the guys who regularly fought 20, 25, 45 rds almost every month for many years. Jefferies and Jack Johnson were far tougher.

Do you know that the Jess Willard-Jack Johnson title fight in 1915 was a 45 rd fight, and that poor old Johnson, 37 years old, untrained, with a pot belly, beat the 6'6" Willard all over the ring for 25 rds, until he succumbed from exhaustion in the 26th.

You should learn more about boxing history.

[qcd]

How many clean power shot do you think landed on Ali's chin?

Do you think Foreman was winning the fight at any stage?