Should Pac ask Floyd for xylocaine test in this fight?

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  • ThePrince
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    Hatton came up with the idea first...
    Floyd Mayweather has hands full as focus falls on pain-relief drug
    Owen Slot, Chief Sports Reporter and Ron Lewis in Las Vegas

    Floyd Mayweather’s suspect hands are viewed as such a potential weakness by Ricky Hatton’s camp that they have requested that he be banned from using the anaesthetic, lidocaine.

    In the long build-up to tonight’s bout, Mayweather has repeatedly denied that his hands might cause him a problem. However, the Mayweathers are unhappy that lidocaine has been specifically identified as a drug that cannot be used.

    Hatton himself is concerned that Mayweather may use his hands as an excuse if he loses his title tonight. However, his camp agreed that the priority was to prevent the American from any illegal advantage.

    The Hattons maintained their focus on this issue yesterday at another prebout meeting when they wanted to ensure that Mayweather would not be able to protect his hands with an unfair use of tape.

    The Hattons wanted to check that Mayweather would not be able to use anything more than the minimum stipulated length of tape. The less tape used clearly gives Mayweather less of a cushion from the blows of his punches and thus prevents him from blocking any pain his hands might register.

    Lidocaine is an anaesthetic used locally to relieve pain, particularly by dentists. However, it has been employed in boxing to relieve injured or weak hands, most notably by Oscar De La Hoya, the promoter tonight, in his bout against Bernard Hopkins three years ago.

    The issue here in Las Vegas has been whether or not lidocaine was permissible. The drug is not on the banned list of the World AntiDoping Agency (Wada), yet it has been ruled illegal by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), under whose authority the contest is being run.

    The Hattons’ concern was that, although NSAC bans the drug, if the urine samples that the boxers are obliged to give afterwards were sent to a Wada-accredited laboratory, then lidocaine might not be tested for.

    At the bout organisational meeting run by NSAC on Wednesday morning, Gareth Williams, Hatton’s lawyer, asked Keith Kizer, the NSAC executive director, if lidocaine would be tested for.

    “We’d all seen the stories about Mayweather’s hands and we had heard rumours that he uses lidocaine,” Williams said. “So we just wanted to make sure that they complied with the rules and that it would be tested for.”

    The request did not go down well with John Hornewer, Mayweather’s attorney. Williams said: “He responded by saying: ‘Well, what about grappling?’ I quite facetiously responded: ‘I didn’t think you could test for that.’” Kizer confirmed yesterday that lidocaine is banned for use by boxers within a week of a bout. “If lidocaine is injected,” he said, “the pain receptors in the boxer may not work and he may not know if he is hurt.” He also confirmed that lidocaine would be tested for after the bout, at the Quest Diagnostics laboratory in the city.

    Mayweather’s hand problems have been long documented but they resurfaced a fortnight ago in an edition of the 24/7 television documentary that showed the boxer having a wax paraffin treatment and quietly acknowledging the issue.

    “She [my doctor] thinks I shouldn’t be fighting too much more,” he said. “My body’s tearing down. My left hand is tearing down. And I never used to have hand problems until it started happening later in my career as a professional.”

    After Mayweather failed to get under Hatton’s skin with a ******* of abuse during the build-up to this bout, his uncle and trainer, Roger, took a step back into the gutter in the final episode of 24/7, claiming that Hatton could be killed in the ring. It seemed just loathsome street talk, but probably had a smarter motive: insulting Hatton had not unsettled the Briton, so why not try to upset his family?

    “Even if he [Hatton] comes out alive, he’s going to be so f***ed up, it won’t make any difference,” Roger Mayweather said. On Thursday evening in Las Vegas, Hatton’s parents, Ray and Carol, witnessed a private preview showing of the programme and were distinctly unhappy. Ray said: “When the spotlight is on the sport; it’s not called for. It’s thuggery, isn’t it? The knockers of the sport can now say, ‘There you go. Told you so.’ ”

    Pacquiao should request that for this fight, lidocaine/xylocaine be tested for randomly and be considered a PED as per Nevada commission standards. If Mayweather and his attorney have an issue with it as they did when Hatton brought it up, Pac should go on a 1 1/2 long vacation.

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      #12
      Originally posted by boracay420
      xylocaine use is banned in Texas. floyd will have to take the tests adminstered by the texan athletic commission, if Bob arum decides to book the cowboy stadium for this fight
      Texas doesn't even test fighters. They are the WORST athletic commission in the country.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Tha Executioner
        Why the **** would he use it after the week you can't use it when he goes through Olympic Style testing dumb ****.
        Originally posted by skillswin
        Xylocaine is not on the USADA's ban substance list. However, The NSAC does in fact test for Xylocaine. The fighters (FLOYD VS MOSLEY) were subjected to both USADA and NSAC testing. Therefore, both were tested for numbing agents

        ******* be ready for the leg cramps excuse cuz ur god manny is next!!
        Fruck you both and liar!

        Ex-NSAC Chairman: Floyd not tested for Xylocaine Before & After the Fight

        Goodman Questions Mayweather-Mosley Drug Testing Gap

        By Lem Satterfield

        A former Nevada State Athletic Commission Medical Advisory Board Chairman and Chief Ringside Physician who has worked more than 400 fights, Margaret Goodman generally applauds the United States Anti-Doping Agency's inagural overseeing of a random blood and urine system for detecting steroids and other illegal drugs in boxers.

        But one of the questions Goodman has is why USADA did not test either Floyd Mayweather's or Shane Mosley's blood closer than within 18 days of their May 1 fight.

        USADA test results from Mayweather-Mosley were released and revealed that Mayweather had both blood and urine taken on March 22, April 1, April 13 and then on the night directly after the fight.

        Mayweather reportedly provided urine only on April 3, April 6, April 21 and April 24.

        Meanwhile, Mosley, who claims that he unknowingly used the steroids "the cream" and 'the clear" obtained from BALCO Founder, Victor Conte, provided both blood and urine on March 23, March 31, April 12 and directly after the bout on fight night.

        Mosley provided urine on April 3, April 6, April 21 and April 24.

        Goodman said that the long window between the final day of blood testing and the fight impuned the system and the good intentions of Mayweather, who has vowed to champion the inclusion of random testing.

        "I, too, was concerned about the lack of blood testing of Mosley and Mayweather right up until their fight. It unnecessarily promoted conspiracy theories as to why a fighter [Mosley] who had previously admitted EPO use was not thoroughly examined," said Goodman to ***********.com, adding that "the testing needs to be tailored to boxing and M M A."

        "It was absurd that the fighters were not checked for numbing agents such as lidocaine or xylocaine before and after the fight, when one fighter [Mayweather] has admitted using these agents before for sore hands. No fighter should fight nor face an opponent with numb hands," said Goodman.

        "Both fighters wanted to demonstrate that they fought free of PEDs that night," said Goodman. "That was not adequately accomplished, which is a shame for the participants, whom I do believe fought clean."

        In another move, WBA super middlweight (168 pounds) champion, Andre Ward and challenger Allan Green are mutually pushing for the inclusion of random blood and urine testing for their June 19 title bout at The Oracle Arena in Ward's hometown of Oakland, Calif.

        "More and more fighters are stepping forward and asking for extensive PED testing," said Goodman. "They want to fight a clean opponent. Yet, the powers that be continue to ignore their requests."

        Lem Satterfield is the boxing editor for AOL FanHouse and the news editor...

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          #14
          He already has the 10m per pound penalty.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Mr. Fantastic
            He already has the 10m per pound penalty.
            Serves him right for Floyd came overweight and for not honoring the contract he signed against Marquez. Scale cheater and xylocaine cheater!

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              #16
              Originally posted by Mr. Fantastic
              He already has the 10m per pound penalty.
              Yes, that was to deter the cheating on the scales like he did against Marquez. We're talking about preventing a fighter from using numbing agents that allow him to hit much harder than usual, which is dangerous for both the fighter and his opponent.

              My guess is that's the reason Floyd takes such long stretches of time off- he loads up on the injections during training camp and now during fights because WADA/USADA doesn't test for it. Then once it wears off, he realizes how much damage he's done to his hands, and needs time to heal. Just my theory.

              But either way, can't have a fighter going into the ring with numbed hands, lidocaine in Boxing is a PED, no doubt about it. We have to protect our fighters, no tainted Ws on the record because guys are loading up with lidocaine or other substances and performing past their pain thresholds. Random testing for numbing agents should be a part of this fight and all others.

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                Originally posted by ThePrince
                Yes, that was to deter the cheating on the scales like he did against Marquez. We're talking about preventing a fighter from using numbing agents that allow him to hit much harder than usual, which is dangerous for both the fighter and his opponent.

                My guess is that's the reason Floyd takes such long stretches of time off- he loads up on the injections during training camp and now during fights because WADA/USADA doesn't test for it. Then once it wears off, he realizes how much damage he's done to his hands, and needs time to heal. Just my theory.

                But either way, can't have a fighter going into the ring with numbed hands, lidocaine in Boxing is a PED, no doubt about it. We have to protect our fighters, no tainted Ws on the record because guys are loading up with lidocaine or other substances and performing past their pain thresholds. Random testing for numbing agents should be a part of this fight and all others.
                I thought Floyd is championing the drug test in boxing. He must show to the world that he is not using a xylocaine during his fight by including this xylocaine test in his fight with Ortiz. Floyd take the xylocaine test!

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                  #18
                  another thread fail

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                  • skillswin
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                    #19
                    floyd is willing to take any test just like Ortiz martinez ward donaire...

                    and your god pacman...................mmmmmmm....well.......... .afraid of needles...

                    During a recent conference call with the press, Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s adviser Leonard Ellerbe lashed out at the circulated rumors pertaining to Floyd's alleged use of the drug Xylocaine. There have been rumors circulating for months that Mayweather was using the drug to the numb any possible pain in his hands. Mayweather has been plagued with hand pain for several years. According to Ellerbe, Mayweather has not expereinced any hand problems in his last couple of fights.
                    Last edited by skillswin; 07-01-2011, 03:42 AM.

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                      Its Tested For and is Banned In Nevada

                      De La Hoya was given a shot of Lidocaine the day of the injury to numb the cut area so the stitches could be taken. Lidocaine is a substance banned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. But Marc Ratner, CEO of the commission, said there is no violation as long as De La Hoya informed the commission when he took it and why.

                      http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DE+LA+...29-a0122340014


                      Kizer confirmed yesterday that lidocaine is banned for use by boxers within a week of a bout. “If lidocaine is injected,” he said, “the pain receptors in the boxer may not work and he may not know if he is hurt.” He also confirmed that lidocaine would be tested for after the bout, at the Quest Diagnostics laboratory in the city.

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                      Nevada boxing officials said yesterday they would fine and probably suspend Lloyd Honeyghan. They said the British fighter tested positive for the painkilling drug lidocaine after losing his World Boxing Council welterweight title to Marlon Starling on Feb. 4.

                      http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/18/sp...l?pagewanted=1

                      Tested as far back as 1989

                      Even writers your Pac fans like to qoute conceded nothing is on the Xylocaine topic.

                      The official answers on Xylocaine: Is it illegal in the USA? Is it banned in Boxing? Is it a PED? - National Fight Sports | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports...#ixzz1Q1knQl99

                      Michael Marley - True that: Floyd Mayweather is cleaner than Board Of Health

                      More?

                      As Kizer explained it, fighters must, under penalty of perjury, sign a statement at the fight weigh ins discloosing what, if any, pain or other serious medication they have used or plan to use anytime between the weigh in and fight time.

                      “Mayweather has never disclosed any such information so, as far as we are concerned, this is not any kind of issue. I know the ardent Pacquiao fans talk a lot about but to us it's the same as the speculation about Pacquiao using any sort of drugs which comes from the Mayweather fans out there. Both of them have always tested clean in Nevada.”

                      Kizer said he could name other boxers who have asked permission to use aspirin, Lidocaine, cortisone and other “pain the****utic” medications.

                      (Nevada commission director Keith Kizer)

                      http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-Boxin...ands-are-clean



                      Testing is Worse is Dallas, making it easier To take if wanted.

                      The Texas Dept. of Licensing and Regulation won't be drug testing the boxers before and after their bout, a spokesman told the Daily News

                      Most state commissions have boxers submit to only urine tests before and after a fight. The Texas agency doesn't even do that. Its executive director, William Kuntz, can order a drug screen for boxers if there is "good cause." But Susan Stanford, a public information officer for the department, doesn't envision that happening for this fight, even though Pacquiao has come under increased scrutiny of late over the issue of performance-enhancing drugs. "At the present time, no drug testing will be required of the boxers," she told The News Thursday. "We don't see rumors as good cause. There is a medical examination before the fight, but that doesn't include drug testing."

                      Arum said he chose to stage the fight in Texas for the amenities, not the lack of drug testing. "I always assumed (that Texas) did drug testing, but I know for sure that the WBO insists on that," Arum said in a phone interview. "The reason the fight is in Texas is because it's in Cowboys Stadium, not because of the (lack of) drug testing."



                      Testing for drugs after the fight is not Mandatory in Texas, Just if they choose to. (Making testing guide lines worse)

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