I dotthinUS and UK know how seriously good Wladimir is

[sunny31]

wlad could hang with the heavy's from the 90's. come on kid this guy is 6-7 with a good boxing pedigree which was not typical in the 90's --- not like Frank Bruno, come on.

Really? Bowe 6-5 olympian, Huge reach devastating power and speed.

Lennox Lewis 6-5 olympic champion, don't think you need a description.

There were plenty more decorated boxers during the 90's, who had toughness to go with their skills, speed and power.

Frank Bruno who was not considered elite in the 90's would have wiped the floor with someone like Byrd who is one of Wlad's best wins. That was my original point.

Is there anyone that compares on Wlad's resume to any of the top dogs in the 90's, or even in the league of Bruno? If you answer that question impartially, supported by actually watching fight footage, then you will realise that wlad's resume does not even justify the argument. Not once have I dismissed Wlad's ability or talent as a fighter. When he fights, not under pressure he is absolutely tremendous and looks unbeatable, but you are discussing him as possibly one of the greatest and you have to scrutinise him and his accomplishments as you would anyone considered in that argument. Your argument could potentially look very silly in a few days time so I would be careful.

[sunny31]

Oh by the way I think Wlad would hang with any heavyweight in history, and could have out-boxed and beat plenty of them, but I see a lot who could beat him also.

[slimshandy69]

Oh by the way I think Wlad would hang with any heavyweight in history, and could have out-boxed and beat plenty of them, but I see a lot who could beat him also.

you make fair points mate, i guess well agre to disagree...

[Freddie Jackson]

Volodomyr brother is BRUTAL KO haye bum.

[Barry Halls]

how can you sound so intelligent and logical when it comes to this subject, yet so ******edly moronic when it comes to everything related to carl froch?

Good post.


(wlad is not on the level of manny, but thats because hes never gotten the chance to prove it. who knows what could have happened in a great hw era)

[r3robinson]

Really? Bowe 6-5 olympian, Huge reach devastating power and speed.

Lennox Lewis 6-5 olympic champion, don't think you need a description.

There were plenty more decorated boxers during the 90's, who had toughness to go with their skills, speed and power.

Frank Bruno who was not considered elite in the 90's would have wiped the floor with someone like Byrd who is one of Wlad's best wins. That was my original point.

Is there anyone that compares on Wlad's resume to any of the top dogs in the 90's, or even in the league of Bruno? If you answer that question impartially, supported by actually watching fight footage, then you will realise that wlad's resume does not even justify the argument. Not once have I dismissed Wlad's ability or talent as a fighter. When he fights, not under pressure he is absolutely tremendous and looks unbeatable, but you are discussing him as possibly one of the greatest and you have to scrutinise him and his accomplishments as you would anyone considered in that argument. Your argument could potentially look very silly in a few days time so I would be careful.

ok good point. but bowe did not want to fight the best when he was on top and do you remember golata bowe? i really dont think he would be able to hang with a stable big man like wlad. also keep in mind lewis only came into his own in the late 90' when his style started to resemble that of wlad today.

my argument could potentially look silly in a few day but in reallity it won't.

i see a Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson replay in which wlad systematically breaks down hayes and takes him out. thats if he can stand in for the systematic part

the older wlad can hang with any heavy weight past present or future, really.

[slimshandy69]

uppin.........................

[sunny31]

I am sorry but I am not convinced after Saturday. I am more convinced that Wlad would not shame himself against the best ever, but I think there are still plenty of guys who would have beaten him. I mean that was a good performance, one of his best...but it was hardly vintage, or a special performance. He still flatters to deceive for me, many people are slating Haye and his performance because they predicted Wladimir to break him down, and take him out, or take him out easy, but he couldn't do it, so they are blaming Haye's negative tactics...poor excuse. Firstly everyone knows what Haye was before the fight, he is a good counter puncher who throws in power 1's and 2's and doesn't throw in combination. He is not an aggressive or inside fighter, he is a long range fighter.

Wladimir is the best heavyweight at the moment, and arguably of his era (Vitali), but he possesses quite a few flaws that I see, he still holds an awful lot when he feels pressure, rather than using skill to get himself out of the situation or fight back he holds. The few times Haye hit him, he couldn't follow up because he couldn't get to his head or torso as Wlad would smother him with his physical strength, he wouldn't have been able to do that against SOME of the natural heavyweights in the 70's 80's 90's who were all round heavyweights and were bulls physically also. I think by the end of Wladimir's career hopefully we will find out more about him, until then it is all hypothetical, he is on a good run and more power to him...but we need to see him tested. Right now there is no one out there as far as I can see.