I dotthinUS and UK know how seriously good Wladimir is

[slimshandy69]

I have been watching his fights, and the dude is not some slow giant, tbhat just uses his size advantage. As hes been in the ring with people of similar height.

He has very good hand speed, good footwork whihc imo far better than vitalis, and much better punching technique to vitali.

IMO i put Wlad on par with manny pacquio(greatest ever fighter), similar careers, both had geat potential, but lost 3 tmes early on in their respected careers, did something about it, got great trainers and now look at these two.

Wlad is alot faster than people give him credit for and i could be proved wrong, but i think you are going to see him show the world why hes the greatest ever heavyweight.

As i say, i could be wrong....

[sunny31]

I am going to entertain your ridiculous thread. Whilst I think Wladmir is potentially a great heavyweight. He has not ticked certain boxes yet, he hasn't had that major gut check in a fight and passed, you could say to a certain extent he did this in Peter I, but Peter is a C class fighter. Wladmir is not floyd mayweather, he is not some un-hittable defensive genius, he has come through the last few years pretty much unscathed basically because he has been fighting mostly C class fighters, with the odd stroll into B class.

When you step up to a certain level, like vitali did with Lewis you cannot get through a fight of that magnitude fighting the way wlad is been beating guys, he would need to prove his mettle, exchange and come through crisis. If Wlad had fought during the 90's with Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Moorer, and even old Foreman he would not been able to beat those guys boxing off the back foot, he may have had periods of success with those tactics, but would have had to go through the trenches, which is my biggest question mark over him, and an ingredient he has never proved.

Is David Haye the fighter where Wlad proves himself, not sure but I would sure like to see him beat a fighter who is world class, even if he is not a true heavyweight. He has beaten some good fighters like chagaev, but yet to enounter a set of ingredients like Haye possesses. Put it his way if he wins this fight I will be much more sold on him than before. My fear is that if things start getting rough...he will fail yet again.

[Sane Man]

I don't think the world knows how good Haye is. Watch and see.

UK fighters have never got the respect they deserve. It's because the US likes to think they have the best of everything.

[slimshandy69]

I am going to entertain your ridiculous thread. Whilst I think Wladmir is potentially a great heavyweight. He has not ticked certain boxes yet, he hasn't had that major gut check in a fight and passed, you could say to a certain extent he did this in Peter I, but Peter is a C class fighter. Wladmir is not floyd mayweather, he is not some un-hittable defensive genius, he has come through the last few years pretty much unscathed basically because he has been fighting mostly C class fighters, with the odd stroll into B class.

When you step up to a certain level, like vitali did with Lewis you cannot get through a fight of that magnitude fighting the way wlad is been beating guys, he would need to prove his mettle, exchange and come through crisis. If Wlad had fought during the 90's with Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Moorer, and even old Foreman he would not been able to beat those guys boxing off the back foot, he may have had periods of success with those tactics, but would have had to go through the trenches, which is my biggest question mark over him, and an ingredient he has never proved.

Is David Haye the fighter where Wlad proves himself, not sure but I would sure like to see him beat a fighter who is world class, even if he is not a true heavyweight. He has beaten some good fighters like chagaev, but yet to enounter a set of ingredients like Haye possesses. Put it his way if he wins this fight I will be much more sold on him than before. My fear is that if things start getting rough...he will fail yet again.

Byrd destroyed holyfield mate, byrd is a excellent fighter with tremendous speed, as is eddi chambers, but admittidly both lack power.

I honestly beleive wlad has the potential to be the best heavyweight ever, and would have destroyed all the boxers of the ninties tbh.


As i say, we will see saturday night, but if he does win, he surpasses lewise defence record and gets all 5 belts.

IMO the best heavy weights ever are lewis and the K BROS.


THE REST would get battered...

[sunny31]

Byrd destroyed holyfield mate, byrd is a excellent fighter with tremendous speed, as is eddi chambers, but admittidly both lack power.

I honestly beleive wlad has the potential to be the best heavyweight ever, and would have destroyed all the boxers of the ninties tbh.


As i say, we will see saturday night, but if he does win, he surpasses lewise defence record and gets all 5 belts.

IMO the best heavy weights ever are lewis and the K BROS.


THE REST would get battered...

Are you purposely acting ******?...Byrd destroyed Holyfield? Do you realise Holyfield had already lost to Ruiz at this point in his career? I am talking about the Holyfield in the mid late 90's. The Holyfield who fought Bowe twice, Moorer twice, and Tyson twice. Not the one shot to pieces. If you are not serious about having a proper debate on the topic without unbias then I am not interested in this at all. Go watch footage of the top guys in the 90's they were proper heavyweights, skill, speed, power. Byrd would have been dominated by Frank Bruno, forget about the rest of those guys.

Wlad will never be the best heavyweight ever, he doesn't have the competition to prove it against...simple as that, and if he did he would be taken out. Believe me his chin would not hold up against some of those guys you dismiss, Rid**** Bowe would have made mince meat out of him. If you give Wlad, Vitali's chin and general toughness then you potentially have one of the best ever, and it would be worth an argument. It is not just his chin that his the problem either, I have rarely seen fighter become so disorganised when hit by a punch, his arms flop around in the air whilst he looks for something to grab on to, I can only imagine that would have led into complete disaster for him with a fighter who could really fight on the inside. His talent is undeniable, but he has BIG deficiencies, when you think of the best heavyweights they all had weaknesses but not the extent of Wladmir, relatively speaking they were comfortable anywhere in a boxing ring, and in different positions.

[r3robinson]

i agree wid slim. wlad is a hell of a heavy weight has great hand speed and great foot work and one of the best boxing IQ's. the guy leads with left hooks and gets away with it that says alot. it's not that he only fight bums it's just that he much better.

[r3robinson]

wlad could hang with the heavy's from the 90's. come on kid this guy is 6-7 with a good boxing pedigree which was not typical in the 90's --- not like Frank Bruno, come on.

[slimshandy69]

wlad could hang with the heavy's from the 90's. come on kid this guy is 6-7 with a good boxing pedigree which was not typical in the 90's --- not like Frank Bruno, come on.

ipeople overate the past fighters, perhaps of jealousy american sports is shocking, or perhaps through nostalgia, either way tysons resume does not even get close to wladimirs....fact...

[BetterCallSaul]

I agree. Wladimir is an excellent HW, in an era of not so very good HW's. But he's not the greatest ever. Not by a long shot. Prime Lewis, Tyson, and maybe Holyfield, all probably beat him.

In my opinion, Haye with his combination of speed, power, and skills, will Klitschko's toughest fight to date. Wladimir is certainly capable of scoring a KO at any stage of the fight, but I don't think he can outbox Haye. Certainly not a reserved Haye, who will stalk silently at the end of Klitschko's jab waiting for a chance to strike. Saying that, I don't think Haye is capable of outboxing Klitschko either. His jab is too strong to risk fighting within his reach, and his right hand too sharp and deadly to risk throwing combinations. This will be a tepid affair until somebody takes a chance and lands a big enough blow to hurt their competitor. That is likely to be Klitschko, but the upset will always be within Haye's grasp as long as he's in the fight.

[bojangles1987]

dotthinUS?

Boxing fans know how good Wlad is. Lack of mainstream attention doesn't change that.