Steve Cunningham: "Wlad is an unbelievable athlete"

[Forza]

Both vitali and wlad are genetically superior athletes. They are naturals. 6'6 and 6'7, extreme speed and power.

I would have to say there has never been a more naturally gifted HW champ ever, the rest were all shorter and had body fat chub rolls even Ali. A prime foreman comes pretty close but he was shorter and way more clumsy.

[Rick Grimes]

chagaev = 2 time amateur world champion , beat felix savon when he was 19 , and beat him again 2 years later
haye = 0 time amateur world champion

chagaev = beat valuev better than haye did , by fighting inside and not running like a ***** , hell some people felt haye didn't even win that fight
haye = paper champion
chagaev = legitimate true holder of the wba belt , never been knocked down before the wlad fight , while haye was knocked down as a cruiserwieght , and by fricking monte barrett

chagaev > haye , period

haye was lineal champion

just like wlad is lineal heavyweight champion

lineal = / = undisputed

undisputed = recognized by all major organizations as the champion , IBF did not recognize haye , he was not undisputed .

If Chagaev was the true WBA champ then Mormeck was the true IBF champ. So Haye was undisputed by your logic, thanks.

[The Hammer]

If Chagaev was the true WBA champ then Mormeck was the true IBF champ. So Haye was undisputed by your logic, thanks.

So you agree Haye isn't the true WBA champ?

[Rick Grimes]

So you agree Haye isn't the true WBA champ?

So you agree Haye was undisputed? You can't have it both ways Klit lickers.

[paypayvay]

If Chagaev was the true WBA champ then Mormeck was the true IBF champ. So Haye was undisputed by your logic, thanks.

you just don't get it ? even if a guy has a paper title , you can't just ignore him and consider the other unidsputed .

steve had a paper belt , but he was recognized by the IBF
haye is a paper champion now , but still , you need to beat him to be rocognized by the WBA

again , undisputed = recognized by ALL organizations

[Spray_resistant]

So you agree Haye was undisputed? You can't have it both ways Klit lickers.

Haye= was real CW champ

Wlad= Is real HW champ.

There should be know debate about this at all, we all know the score and what game is being played if we all actually watched the fights.

[Rick Grimes]

you just don't get it ? even if a guy has a paper title , you can't just ignore him and consider the other unidsputed .

steve had a paper belt , but he was recognized by the IBF
haye is a paper champion now , but still , you need to beat him to be rocognized by the WBA

again , undisputed = recognized by ALL organizations

But you called Chagaev the true champ, but he wasn't recognised by the WBA as the true champ. Stop the BS. If Bell didn't get stripped Haye would have had all the belts.

[paypayvay]

So you agree Haye was undisputed? You can't have it both ways Klit lickers.

no , since he didn't take the paper belt held by cunningham

lineal = determined by boxing fans and media ( haye at 200 lbs and wlad at heavy )
undisputed = determined by the sanctioning bodies , if the 4 sanctioning bodies had one champion , that guy is undisputed

it's easy , jesus christ

[paypayvay]

But you called Chagaev the true champ, but he wasn't recognised by the WBA as the true champ. Stop the BS. If Bell didn't get stripped Haye would have had all the belts.

i call him the true champ form a fan perspective , you're free do disagree

but the fact remains the same : you are undisputed when you are RECOGNIZED BY ALL MAJOR SANCTIONING BODIES AS THE CHAMPION

[Rick Grimes]

no , since he didn't take the paper belt held by cunningham

lineal = determined by boxing fans and media ( haye at 200 lbs and wlad at heavy )
undisputed = determined by the sanctioning bodies , if the 4 sanctioning bodies had one champion , that guy is undisputed

it's easy , jesus christ

But yet you said Chagaev was the true WBA champ. If you believe that you should also believe Haye was undisputed. You ******.