Comments Thread For: Arum: HBO, Showtime Pacquiao Proposals Will Be Huge

[The Big Dunn]

a) i doubt hbo execs give a flying f#ck about who has a higher average. All they care about is who makes them more money. Since floyd became a part time fighter pacquiao generated around 6 million buys for them while floyd only 2.4

so who do you think hbo considers to be their cash cow? Especially considering pacquiao will generate close to 3 million buys this year, possibly for their rival?

B) as the a'side/headliners on ppv (aka everything besides dlh) pac averaged and totaled more buys than floyd before and averages slightly less than floyd. If you take out clottey (the only fight post dlh that didn't feature a reality series), pac averages more after dlh too, in addition to blowing him out of the water in terms of total sales.

So when people say floyd is the bigger draw they mean he was the bigger b-side to oscar

How are you defining making more money? If HBO spends 5 mil to get 1.5 floyd ppv buys and 10 mil to get 1.2 manny ppv buys, then another 10 mil to get 1.3 ppv buys then HBO isn;t making much money. The profit is less. Its like the Mosley Pac fight. 1.3 mil ppv's is really good. But when you think about the money spent to advertise on CBS in prime time, then you know the fight wasn't as profitable because the cost of those 30 sec spots alone (not counting any other promotion) is huge.

Return on your investment.

But you can't just take Clottey out of it. Against common opponents floyd outsold Manny in every fight, headliner or B-side. These are facts that can't be changed or justified no matter how much you love Manny or hate floyd.

You are even admitting it in your post. You said Once floyd became a part time fighter. In other words, all things equal floyd sells more. Manny only sells more when floyd doesn't fight. That a non american can sell so much in the US is very impressive. But it aint the best or the most.

[brick wall]

JoeDawg respectfully, Manny is not the premier moneymaker in the sport. Floyd Mayweather is. HBO just let manny walk to showtime for his last fight.

it's true floyd's ppv numbers were a little bit higher than pac's but on a business standpoint, pac's fights are more attractive to either hbo or showtime because pac asks for less money than floyd.

[eklok]

it's true floyd's ppv numbers were a little bit higher than pac's but on a business standpoint, pac's fights are more attractive to either hbo or showtime because pac asks for less money than floyd.

and also pac fights twice a year , their lucky if they can get floyd to fight once a year , doesnt take a math wizard to see who's gonna generate more annually, HBO shoot themselve's in the foot for letting pac go

[The Big Dunn]

it's true floyd's ppv numbers were a little bit higher than pac's but on a business standpoint, pac's fights are more attractive to either hbo or showtime because pac asks for less money than floyd.

But floyd generates more for less of an initial investment. His replays also avg higher ratings. Look Brick I get the point that Manny's fights are expected to be more action packed. But there is more to it than that. Whatever it is, charisma, hate, talent, floyd simply does more than Manny. He made more out of his ODH opportunity than Manny did. Obviously floyd being an american is part of it.

[brick wall]

But floyd generates more for less of an initial investment. His replays also avg higher ratings. Look Brick I get the point that Manny's fights are expected to be more action packed. But there is more to it than that. Whatever it is, charisma, hate, talent, floyd simply does more than Manny. He made more out of his ODH opportunity than Manny did. Obviously floyd being an american is part of it.

i'm talking about economics big dunn not nuthugging. floyd-mosley did 1.4 million and floyd's share was $40 million. pac-mosley did 1.3 million and pac got $25 million. if you are hbo or showtime which investment venture would you choose? it's just simple mathematics really...nuthugging aside of course.

[The Big Dunn]

i'm talking about economics big dunn not nuthugging. floyd-mosley did 1.4 million and floyd's share was $40 million. pac-mosley did 1.3 million and pac got $25 million. if you are hbo or showtime which investment venture would you choose? it's just simple mathematics really...nuthugging aside of course.

But floyds take was promotion and fighting, while manny's was only fighting. From a fighter standpoint, HBO can invest less with a floyd fight and sell more units. So I choose floyd.

[brick wall]

But floyds take was promotion and fighting, while manny's was only fighting. From a fighter standpoint, HBO can invest less with a floyd fight and sell more units. So I choose floyd.

again are you just making up ****s or what? where are you getting all those info? and what business sense does getting paid as a promoter or fighter has to do with hbo or showtime? just because floyd gets paid as a promoter hbo's profits will not be affected...is that what you're trying to say?

[ThePrince]

How are you defining making more money? If HBO spends 5 mil to get 1.5 floyd ppv buys and 10 mil to get 1.2 manny ppv buys, then another 10 mil to get 1.3 ppv buys then HBO isn;t making much money. The profit is less. Its like the Mosley Pac fight. 1.3 mil ppv's is really good. But when you think about the money spent to advertise on CBS in prime time, then you know the fight wasn't as profitable because the cost of those 30 sec spots alone (not counting any other promotion) is huge.

Return on your investment.

But you can't just take Clottey out of it. Against common opponents floyd outsold Manny in every fight, headliner or B-side. These are facts that can't be changed or justified no matter how much you love Manny or hate floyd.

You are even admitting it in your post. You said Once floyd became a part time fighter. In other words, all things equal floyd sells more. Manny only sells more when floyd doesn't fight. That a non american can sell so much in the US is very impressive. But it aint the best or the most.[/QUOTE]

hbo never sank more money into a pacquiao fight than they did for floyd. Actually floyd-mosley was by far the most advertised and promoted event for hbo, it was the first to have tv spots on terrestial and cable tv. It was to the point that richard schaefer predicted it would do 3-4 million buys. Your info is made up and your logic is extremely flawed.

Pacquiao has generated a ton more money for hbo than floyd has these last few years. That's a fact.

I typed a more detailed and thorough response but im doing this from my phone and the thing is bugging out. Dont feel like typing it all out again. We can continue this tonight or tomorrow when im at my computer

[LoveForBoxing]

Manny fights twice a year some times three, Floyd maybe fights once every 16 months Two years There for manny might not draw bigger numbers but the amount they are willing to pay will be higher then floyds as he is long term and floyd is only a short term ideal

[djeffectz]

hell no, Im jealous cause we're letting foreign people outdo us American in everything we do, I will say Mayweather is the cash-cow cause people pay to see him lose, and people pay to watch Pacquiao fight no matter what is the outcome of his fight, he is just entertaining....

Mayweather will not let a Foreign person outdo him, mark my words.

not stereo typing here.