Comments Thread For: Arum: HBO, Showtime Pacquiao Proposals Will Be Huge

[RajahBell]

this fight will be on Showtime cuz HBO will ask real questions like....

1-do you agree to the random drug test? if yes why now?
2-why JMM now? why @144?

fightnight comments:

1-144 is to much for marquez
2-manny cant cut the ring again
3-manny won but......144 marquez..... floyd did better....

after the fight:

1-manny are you willing to take the RANDOM! drug test and fight mayweather next?
2-manny but are you willing to take the test yes or no?
3-manny who is mike jones???


showtime: congratulations manny...

I guess you never seen Jim Gray embarrass Pete Rose on TV. I guess you didn't see Jim Brown apologize for getting into the Mosely hype. I agree HBO has the better and more entertaining commentary. But you can't knock on Showtime's "journalistic integrity" or interviewing skills.

[kidrak]

No, that is completely incorrect, Manny is popular because he is a super-hyped media creation supported by a huge non-boxing national fanbase.

IMO, Manny is not a popular boxer at all, he is just popular, period.

If Donaire was fighting a title fight on the same night that Manny was performing a concert, MOST of his fanbase would go watch the concert and would show little-to-no interest in Donaire's title fight.

Manny is more popular with casual fans than he is with hardcore boxing fans.

Ward keeps winning, Martinez keeps winning, Donaire keeps winning, John keeps winning, Marquez keeps winning, Rios keeps winning, Bradley keeps winning, Hopkins keeps winning..... but NOT ONE of those fighters get anywhere near the kind of media-fluffing that Manny enjoys.

And ALL of those fighters, with the exception of John, have a much better recent resume than Pacquiao.

Pac is feeding on old man, faded champions, and bums, and his less-than-intelligent fanbase just love him for it

well if you go to other places besides philippines and america..nobody knows floyd while manny is very popular..if you really believe that then lets look at floyd's and manny's resume if which is greater..haha then lets ask the boxing experts the BWAA( i think their a non boxing people your butthurt floyd fan)hahaha

[LeadUppercut]

Regardless of your reliance on your sources, it is not the truth. Arum was replying to a comment that Pacquiao should come down to 135 or at most 140, and Arum said he'd only fight at 147. After Manny P. slaughtered Margarito at 150, he was still hurt, and said it was too much for him, and immediately relinquished the 154 title. In future, he said, he would fight ONLY at WELTERWEIGHT. He specifically said WELTERWEIGHT. That, as you damned well know, is between 140 and 147.

He is most comfortable at 144. AND, not only is he the champion, but he is the CASH COW. So he is pefectly entitled to fight at whatever weight he choses from 140-147.

Marquez has been slavering for this fight for several years, and jumped at the chance, because since MannyP. has become so famous, everyone who fights him, no matter whom, could get by far his biggest payday.

I've seen some good posts of yours so I know you're not ****** like the other cretins who want to see intestines and eyeballs hanging all over the place, so why the hell can't you keep things in perspective and not jump on out of context phrases to make your point.

Most of the posters here are purely nuts, whereas I am a SPORTSMAN, and couldn't care less who wins, but would like to see a good, even fight. I've been deeply involved as a high level participant and spectator in several major sports my whole life, and have NO favourites, other than those who show themselves to be good sports, and fair.

In this fight the best man will deserve to win, unless there is an unfortunate accident such as happened to V Klitschko in the Lewis fight. But that was a 100-1 against.

Arum stated that Pac would have to " starve himself " to come in at 143

Roach/Ariza state that Pac is a natural JWW and can easily make 140.

Ariza cannot keep any weight on Manny when he trains, Pac has to eat 6 meals a day and 3am/6am shakes to fight at welter. Manny can eat "anything on the table" when training for a fight where he weighed 144.....
http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports...t-middleweight
http://www.strengthspeedagility.com/...aining-program
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ible-physique/
http://www.pacquiao-margarito.com/en...-inner-circle/
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=621958
http://ezinearticles.com/?Boxing-Rin...nce&id=2546429
http://www.pacquiaovsmargarito.net/w...ight-pacquiao/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ment-at-first/
http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...o-inner-circle

Fischer, stating the obvious.....
" However, this fight only makes sense to me if it takes place at junior welterweight (and I would hope Marquez would weigh-in under 140 pounds). Why Pacquiao and company refuse to even consider fighting Marquez at 140 pounds (instead of the 144 or 147 they stipulate) is a very good question. The answer is obvious: they want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis "
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/1...friday-mailbag

[PAKYO]

Is Leaduppercut teaching you guys here Business 101 again!?!?!
I won't be surpised if floyd becomes a hobo in less than ten years if this **** is his financial adviser.

[LeadUppercut]

Is Leaduppercut teaching you guys here Business 101 again!?!?!
I won't be surpised if floyd becomes a hobo in less than ten years if this **** is his financial adviser.

****head, I did not actually write any of the 10 articles linked to that post

What sort of doorknob would have a username ' PAKYO ' ?

Go play with your manny-doll clownboy.

[WESS]

why compare floyd vs ortiz to pac vs jmm??hahaha insecure??haha pac did accept the blood test already beside WHO IS FLOYD asking for blood testing by the way??hahaha and jmm look bad at ww becoz your boy floyd fight him in an big weight advantage and did cheated by overweighting..smart and a coward moved by floyd!hahaha

Why compare? Do you not realize that the fights are at WW? The problem for anyone with common sense to see is that Ortiz is a WW Champion and JMM is a LW Champion.

Until Pac accepts unlimited random blood tests, this is the best option for Floyd at WW. Ask yourself chief, whens the last time Pac fought a current Champion coming off a great win? lol....

[WESS]

Regardless of your reliance on your sources, it is not the truth. Arum was replying to a comment that Pacquiao should come down to 135 or at most 140, and Arum said he'd only fight at 147. After Manny P. slaughtered Margarito at 150, he was still hurt, and said it was too much for him, and immediately relinquished the 154 title. In future, he said, he would fight ONLY at WELTERWEIGHT. He specifically said WELTERWEIGHT. That, as you damned well know, is between 140 and 147.

He is most comfortable at 144. AND, not only is he the champion, but he is the CASH COW. So he is pefectly entitled to fight at whatever weight he choses from 140-147.

Marquez has been slavering for this fight for several years, and jumped at the chance, because since MannyP. has become so famous, everyone who fights him, no matter whom, could get by far his biggest payday.

I've seen some good posts of yours so I know you're not ****** like the other cretins who want to see intestines and eyeballs hanging all over the place, so why the hell can't you keep things in perspective and not jump on out of context phrases to make your point.

Most of the posters here are purely nuts, whereas I am a SPORTSMAN, and couldn't care less who wins, but would like to see a good, even fight. I've been deeply involved as a high level participant and spectator in several major sports my whole life, and have NO favourites, other than those who show themselves to be good sports, and fair.

In this fight the best man will deserve to win, unless there is an unfortunate accident such as happened to V Klitschko in the Lewis fight. But that was a 100-1 against.

Obviously you haven't followed Pac or JMM for you to think this will be even. You obviously missed all the excuses as to why Roach wanted Cotto to fight Pac at a catchweight when they didn't mind fighting Hoya. Obviously you missed Pac fighting at JMW and most importantly you obviously missed Mayweather wrongfully man handle JMM at WW and break compubox records.

Pac vs JMM III SHOULD be at JWW. Pac didn't want Ortiz, just like he didn't want Berto or Mosley when they where all "current" Champions. Mayweather took advantage of Pac's reluctance to fight the best.

Obvisesly you need to do more research on the testing as yes Pac agreed but what you dont understand is that after Pac walked away to fight Clottey, Mayweather stated that from this point anyone who fights him will have ZERO cut offs and it will be completely random. Pac has yet to agree. Meantime lets hope Bob Arum/Pac sign a document or contract and fax it over to Al Haymon/Floyd Mayweather by the time Mayweather's fight is over in September.

The fight:
Mayweather vs Ortiz @ WW >>>>> Pac vs JMM III @ WW

Pre-fight Hype:
Mayweather vs Ortiz HBO's 24/7 >>>> Pac vs JMM III SHOWTIME's 360

PPV:
Mayweather vs Ortiz >>>> Pac vs JMM III


PPV History:
Mayweather vs Hoya >>>> Pac vs Hoya/everyone
Mayweather vs Hatton >>>> Pac vs Hatton
Mayweather vs JMM >>>>> Pac vs JMM II
Mayweather vs Mosley >>>> Pac vs Mosley

PPV's are irreverent to the fight but just thought I would enlighten you on who's REALLY the cash cow and not just your opinion. Mayweather outsells Pac every single outing even when fighting the same fighter. Numbers don't lie chief, people do. Much like Bob Arum.

Question is, How does Mayweather fight less and still sell more even when fighting the same fighter? Could it be that Floyd's opponent was a threat and or a "current" champion? Could it be Floyd's opponent wasn't left overs coming of losses or damaged goods? Or could it just be that Mayweather IS the cash cow? Either way @ WW Mayweather vs Ortiz > Pac vs JMM III @ WW. Lets see if Pac can "out-do" Mayweather... but don't worry I'm sure Pac will select to fight Ortiz next year and I wouldn't be surprised if it was at a CW.

[mikemurni]

Obviously you haven't followed Pac or JMM for you to think this will be even. You obviously missed all the excuses as to why Roach wanted Cotto to fight Pac at a catchweight when they didn't mind fighting Hoya. Obviously you missed Pac fighting at JMW and most importantly you obviously missed Mayweather wrongfully man handle JMM at WW and break compubox records.

Pac vs JMM III SHOULD be at JMW. Pac didn't want Ortiz, just like he didn't want Berto or Mosley when they where all "current" Champions. Mayweather took advantage of Pac's reluctance to fight the best.

Obvisesly you need to do more research on the testing as yes Pac agreed but what you dont understand is that after Pac walked away to fight Clottey, Mayweather stated that from this point anyone who fights him will have ZERO cut offs and it will be completely random. Pac has yet to agree. Meantime lets hope Bob Arum/Pac sign a document or contract and fax it over to Al Haymon/Floyd Mayweather by the time Mayweather's fight is over in September.

The fight:
Mayweather vs Ortiz @ WW >>>>> Pac vs JMM III @ WW

Pre-fight Hype:
Mayweather vs Ortiz HBO's 24/7 >>>> Pac vs JMM III SHOWTIME's 360

PPV:
Mayweather vs Ortiz >>>> Pac vs JMM III


PPV History:
Mayweather vs Hoya >>>> Pac vs Hoya/everyone
Mayweather vs Hatton >>>> Pac vs Hatton
Mayweather vs JMM >>>>> Pac vs JMM II
Mayweather vs Mosley >>>> Pac vs Mosley

PPV's are irreverent to the fight but just thought I would enlighten you on who's REALLY the cash cow and not just your opinion. Mayweather outsells Pac every single outing even when fighting the same fighter. Numbers don't lie chief, people do. Much like Bob Arum.

Question is, How does Mayweather fight less and still sell more even when fighting the same fighter? Could it be that Floyd's opponent was a threat and or a "current" champion? Could it be Floyd's opponent wasn't left overs coming of losses or damaged goods? Or could it just be that Mayweather IS the cash cow? Either way @ WW Mayweather vs Ortiz > Pac vs JMM III @ WW. Lets see if Pac can "out-do" Mayweather... but don't worry I'm sure Pac will select to fight Ortiz next year and I wouldn't be surprised if it was at a CW.

HBO does not give a **** about PPV buys per fight. They are more concern about the total PPV buys. And Pac in the last 2-3 years has sold 7.2 M compared to Floyd 2.5. You guys keep harping on the 2.4 M buys when we all know that was really more of DLH comeback and popularity at that time as to oppose to Floyd. Not to mention being the first super fight since Tyson-Lewis. Floyd could not even break the 400K mark before he fought DLH. In reality, post-DLH, this 2 are almost equal in PPV's. But HBO definitely appreciates Pac more simply because he fights more often. And if HBO doesnt then they should.

[WESS]

HBO does not give a **** about PPV buys per fight. They are more concern about the total PPV buys. And Pac in the last 2-3 years has sold 7.2 M compared to Floyd 2.5. You guys keep harping on the 2.4 M buys when we all know that was really more of DLH comeback and popularity at that time as to oppose to Floyd. Not to mention being the first super fight since Tyson-Lewis. Floyd could not even break the 400K mark before he fought DLH. In reality, post-DLH, this 2 are almost equal in PPV's. But HBO definitely appreciates Pac simply because he brings simply because he fights more often. And if HBO doesnt then they should.

You missed the entire point. If Mayweather would actually fight more he would sell more. Easy math. He doesn't, but that doesn't change the fact he outsells Pac every... single.... time even when fighting the SAME fighter.

WHY? Why is that Mr HBO finance department?

[mikemurni]

You missed the entire point. If Mayweather would actually fight more he would sell more. Easy math. He doesn't, but that doesn't change the fact he outsells Pac every... single.... time even when fighting the SAME fighter.

WHY? Why is that Mr HBO finance department?

Floyd is selling more because he is fighting them first, which means they were more popular than they were when Pac fought them. And its not like it was landslide. Hatton and Mosley fights was only 100K or less difference.
And your comparison between Oscar and JMM fights is just ridiculous.

Floyd's fighting less is because its his decision to fight less, does not change the fact that Pac has sold more PPV buys than him in total.