Question about the PED accusations against Pacquiao...

[The Big Dunn]

What facts are there that Pacquiao is cheating? That's my whole thing. Whether Floyd is ducking Pac or Pac is ****ing up negotiations isn't my issue. Pacquiao's being accused of cheating w/out evidence, yet people are trying to make these debates with "facts" about nothing but negotiation tactics on both sides. All that's telling me is both sides have big egos and are not bending to the other. As someone who isn't biased towards either guy, that's how I personally see it, hence why you don't see me on these countless threads telling you Pac is a cheater or Floyd is a Saint and can do no wrong.

As I posted before the only way to get facts is to take tests. If your point is there is only circumstantial evidence against Manny you are right. BUT THATS HOW IT IS FOR ALL ATHLETES THAT EARN THE BULK OF THEIR MONEY IN AMERICAN SPORTS LEAGUES!!!

There is usually circumstantial evidence (his head is big, he has mood swings, hes so much faster than before, she is jumping higher, look who she hangs out wioth etc.) first. Then somone in the sport tests positive on the regular tests and describes how they beat testing. Then testing is enhanced and EVERYONE takes test whetehr they are suspected or not.

If Manny doesn't like this he can always fight exclusively in Mexico or the phillipines.

[Code Red]

Tards really want Manny to have that juice advantage against Floyd. They literally view Manny agreeing to the test as a defeat. Obvioualy they dont have enough faith that Manny can compete with Floyd without PEDS

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

I know this has been said before but...

If the boxing commissions and the powers that be don't require OSDT then why is there an entire cult of people backing Floyd on his demands?

Boxers box. Trainers train. Commissions run ****. The end.

Does it make sense to go out of your way to satisfy the wants of your opponent when its not mandatory?

Sure people can point to the "excuses" about needles and Manny's alleged head growth but Pacquiao's camp can make up as many excuses as they want as for reasons why not to take the tests because they don't have to.

Also, flip the coin.

If Pacquiao's camp for some reason pulled this on Floyd and demanded OSDT from him out of the blue do you think Floyd would comply? No, for the sake of going against the grain and not wanting to ease the mind of his opponent Floyd would argue the same.

He would say, "I've always tested clean and I take the tests required by the commission, lifestyle flashy".

The argument coming from the Mayweather camp and his cult following is a bit ridiculous.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Who is anyone to say that you literally CAN'T peak in your later years?

But people take the word of Roger or Floyd Sr. as gospel and that's that.

Kind of sad what boxing has come to really.

People who fight for a living avoiding opponents because their daddy got it in their head that they might lose their undefeated streak to a "cheater".

Boo on that.

Pac has made his own rules for a lot of fights and his opponents could have said it's the commissions job but signed to fight.

[p4p-champ]

that's why in this forum it's no longer about the truth. no one is really interested whether pacman is really cheating or not. almost three years have passed and nothing has come out. floyd fans are not interested in the truth. that's whom normal people are arguing with in this forum. it's an exercise in futility: it's okay to accuse people of cheating without evidence. it's as normal as breathing.

There is no proof, there is only su****ions and opinions. If there was actual proof, it would be all over the news, so to even ask for it is quite ridiculous. There wasn't even proof with the Mosley case other than his name on some documents. Better testing is the road to the truth, like it or not.

[Manny#1ATG]

In most cases it all starts from accusation. Basically everyone that wasn't a San Francisco Giants fan believed that Barry Bonds achievements were suspect and subject to scrutiny. There was no proof, but eventually the BALCO thing blew up and we discovered there were hundreds more guilty athletes.

We have the same thing now with Pacquiao, everyone that isn't a Filipino tends to believe that Pacquiao's remarkable achievements are subject to scrutiny. They don't necessarily believe he is guilty, but that he is not above su****ion. Now instead of just agreeing to some simple tests, he refused with multiple excuses none of which seem rational to me. Does this mean Pacquiao is actually juicing? No, but the su****ion is there to draw interest from the general boxing community. This idea that Pac is taking some moral high ground by refusing adequate testing is crazy. What is even crazier is that his fans are somehow supporting the idea of using inferior testing.

These things have lead me to the following conclusion, Pacquiao fans don't care if he is juicing or not. Most fans probably assume he is juicing but justify it in their minds with things like, "everybody else is probably using PEDs" or "Pac is smaller he needs an advantage."

[rayb112]

I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand or comprehend...

PED's have been around for a long long time...over the years testing protocols have changed to keep up with these designer PED's...Baseball, Football, Basketball and the Qlympics just name a few have all strengthen their testing...BOXING has NOT...you would have to be a complete idiot to think that theres no PED problem in boxing when you have testing that is out dated and fighters know exactly when there coming...and to say that someone has never tested positive before to justify your ******ity is insane...Bonds, Clemons, Lance, Mosley never tested positive either...

Pacquiao has brought this problem on himself by not accepting the random testing...and don't tell me he agreed to it because he didn't...he agreed to do 3 blood test and wanted to know when they would be given in advance...RANDOM is the key word...meaning you don't know when your gonna get tested...The point that some people are missing is that you shouldnt care that no one is tested 24 days before the fight BUT the POSSIBILITY you could be tested is what matters...If theres a cut off date to far from the event then you could use your SUPER drugs and get strong with all the other benefits from the PED and it would be out your system by the time you take a post fight test...why is this hard to understand...

We sitting here talking about a TEST...a TEST...its about the MONEY...Team Pacquiao wanted 50-50 split...Mayweather wanted 60-40 split...Team Pacquiao said NO!...Floyd agreed to 50-50 split...Asked for Random Blooding and Urine Testing....Team Pacquiao said NO!...Who's holding up the fight???

[Stanly Ketchel]

Very simple answer it is 2011 and it is time to wake up.

Q) Who in the hell opposes a test to ensure an even playing field?

A) T A R D

[mdportorock3]

Does it make sense to go out of your way to satisfy the wants of your opponent when its not mandatory?
catch weights, Ring size, glove size, re-hydration clause, 10mil per pound over agreed weight.

[Apathetic]

Inocent until proven guilty in not relevent here because the evidence is in Paqs blood and he was refusing to give that evidence

[Lorily]

The thing that makes the LEAST amount of sense is that the whole reason this PED su****ion came about is because Roger and Sr. said "Wow" Pacquiao is doing UNBELIEVABLE things, things that no ordinary boxer (especially of his size and weight) should be doing".... He can't possibly be THIS good with out some kind of illegal help because "I ain't never seen it". But yet, talking out of the other sides of their mouths, they keep repeating that Manny "ain't ****", "he ain't nothin special" - and Floyd fans by the dozen saying that same thing by continually saying he has no defense, bad footwork, fights bums, old men and guys coming off brutal loses - with a catchweight. Some people refuse to entertain the idea that the whole OSDT became an issue in the beginning primarily over EGO and Pride. Then you got guys saying "I'd take the test for $1 million, let alone $25 million" therefore he MUST be guilty - but yet I highly doubt anyone on this site has ever had close to half a $1million dollars in their bank account and would sell their soul for just A CHANCE of making that kind of money - whereas both Pacquiao and Mayweather are already multi millionares and have the opportunity to make millions every time they step out their door... so they can afford to put pride before the fall.

All I'm saying is, which is it? Is Manny some incredible machine that absolutely has to be on PEDS because no one could ever do what he's doing without this majical, A side meth, super miraculous substance that can be taken and cleaned out in 4 days (and be EFFECTIVE) illegal PED that NO ONE else seems to know the existance of - or is he just a good boxer that demands advantages to make himself appear better? Because according to the Mayweather Team and some of his fans it seems to be both at the same time, and that makes no sense. Some of ya'll want to argue it both ways, and it just can't logically be both.

Perhaps Manny Pacquiao is just a great and entertaining fighter with a lot of Pride and Ego..... That sounds a lot like Floyd Mayweather Jr. too, if you really want to know the truth.