Question about the PED accusations against Pacquiao...

[CubanGuyNYC]

I'm not hoping for anything other than the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight happening. However, I do believe that better testing is clearly a necessity in all sports but especially a contact sport like boxing. The BALCO scandal has already proven without a doubt. Any athlete can be suspect without a smoking gun in this day and age, it would seem even more so with the current commission testing in boxing.

I'm with you on every word. I mentioned the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" on another thread. Anyone wanting to know and understand a little more about PEDs, especially steroids, needs to see this film. It'll probably change the way you see modern sports.

[The Big Dunn]

I agree with the better testing, and as far as what I read several times Pac's team said if NSAC demanded blood testing, there would be no problem we're on board (but obviously, people threw that down). That's why I always viewed this as an ego thing being both guys without one another can make money. It just sucks as Boxing fans we didn't get to see that fight. But then we hear Pac agreed to testing the 2nd time around, but Floyd fans think he's lying, or Arum is lying, or Roger is lying. In the end, it just comes down to what you inevitably believe. In relation to Mosley and Toney, Pacquiao is constantly surrounded by people and media to where if he was taking something, it's out there now. But the arguments don't change and probably won't until that fight ever happens. So as I always say, unless you have solid proof Pac is on something, it's all hearsay.

Rav you and I know that Manny has yet to say he will submit to random OST. Its not about who you believe its about weighing the true facts and reaching a conclusion.

Its not about Manny being an honorable congressman or floyd being a fake thug gangsta. The bottom line is random OST in boxing is a good thing. If ANY other fighter tried to negotiate testing dates they'd be killed for it. Manny is no different.

[Walt Liquor]

I agree with the better testing, and as far as what I read several times Pac's team said if NSAC demanded blood testing, there would be no problem we're on board (but obviously, people threw that down). That's why I always viewed this as an ego thing being both guys without one another can make money. It just sucks as Boxing fans we didn't get to see that fight. But then we hear Pac agreed to testing the 2nd time around, but Floyd fans think he's lying, or Arum is lying, or Roger is lying. In the end, it just comes down to what you inevitably believe. In relation to Mosley and Toney, Pacquiao is constantly surrounded by people and media to where if he was taking something, it's out there now. But the arguments don't change and probably won't until that fight ever happens. So as I always say, unless you have solid proof Pac is on something, it's all hearsay.

bingo...................................i love how everyone who never said a damn thing about PEDs now is crusading for it in boxing....

[Ravishing]

I'm not hoping for anything other than the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight happening. However, I do believe that better testing is clearly a necessity in all sports but especially a contact sport like boxing. The BALCO scandal has already proven without a doubt. Any athlete can be suspect without a smoking gun in this day and age, it would seem even more so with the current commission testing in boxing.

But for that, then every athlete you're watching is a PED suspect. So why bother watching sports in the 1st place? Like, why bother yourself over that?

[Doctor_Tenma]

I already stated Pacquiao should've taken the tests in the 1st place. But I'm not suspecting the guy of taking PEDs because I'm not biased towards Floyd, whom believe Pacquiao is cheating oof GP. I don't favor either guy, but I'm not going to accuse Pac if you have no evidence. It's like the Cotto fans who still cry today about Margarito beating him. What proof do you have that he cheated in that fight?

I'm simply talking about Pacquiao trying to mess around with the whole drug testing procedure, the hell Floyd gotta do with that? Your stuck on this whole fan base stuff.

[Ravishing]

Rav you and I know that Manny has yet to say he will submit to random OST. Its not about who you believe its about weighing the true facts and reaching a conclusion.

Its not about Manny being an honorable congressman or floyd being a fake thug gangsta. The bottom line is random OST in boxing is a good thing. If ANY other fighter tried to negotiate testing dates they'd be killed for it. Manny is no different.

So Pacquiao and his team literally saying in videos "Testing was all agreed upon" has no merit at all? But Floyd or his team saying "No, they didn't agree to ****" is supposed to be the gospel? Why am I supposed to believe one guy over the other? No, Pacquiao hasn't shown us proof that he agreed to testing on paper, but has Floyd either?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Rav you and I know that Manny has yet to say he will submit to random OST. Its not about who you believe its about weighing the true facts and reaching a conclusion.

Its not about Manny being an honorable congressman or floyd being a fake thug gangsta. The bottom line is random OST in boxing is a good thing. If ANY other fighter tried to negotiate testing dates they'd be killed for it. Manny is no different.

Exactly,

Just imagine if Pacquiao were American

[Ravishing]

I'm simply talking about Pacquiao trying to mess around with the whole drug testing procedure, the hell Floyd gotta do with that? Your stuck on this whole fan base stuff.

It is inevitably about fan bases, because each fan base believes 2 different stories. How many Pacquiao fans are accusing Pacquiao of cheating?

[CubanGuyNYC]

But for that, then every athlete you're watching is a PED suspect. So why bother watching sports in the 1st place? Like, why bother yourself over that?

At this stage in sports history, every athlete is a PED suspect. That includes Floyd, as well as Manny. Steroid use, contrary to popular opinion, isn't necessarily obvious to the naked eye. And we're not even talking about the other PEDs that raise performance in less obvious ways....

[IMDAZED]

bingo...................................i love how everyone who never said a damn thing about PEDs now is crusading for it in boxing....

Really everyone? Do you track people's conversations? Stand behind them while and watch everything they type? And even if there were some who didn't say anything...so?