Question about the PED accusations against Pacquiao...

[Blubba]

Really everyone? Do you track people's conversations? Stand behind them while and watch everything they type? And even if there were some who didn't say anything...so?

yes king ped crusader is back.

[Doctor_Tenma]

So Pacquiao and his team literally saying in videos "Testing was all agreed upon" has no merit at all? But Floyd or his team saying "No, they didn't agree to ****" is supposed to be the gospel? Why am I supposed to believe one guy over the other? No, Pacquiao hasn't shown us proof that he agreed to testing on paper, but has Floyd either?

Let me help you out, me personally...

Because the other side wanted a 30 day cutoff, then a 24, then a 14 (After it was off the table entirely).

During that he only wanted to comply to 3 blood tests, 3 of which he already knew the date of, it's suppose to be 3-6 I believe, random too.

Then Roach came out and said he wouldn't demand Mosley take a drug test because that would be hypocritical of them, since they wouldn't be willing to do the same.

Before that, Koncz revealed they wanted a 7 cutoff. Pacquiao doing the usual, lying about having agreed to Mayweather's demands.

More times than not Pacquiao's team have been proven to be liars when it pertains to drug testing.

[Convicted_Felon]

It's really simple. If you have nothing to hide, or you're not afraid, then take the tests.
I've read Ben Thompson's timeline and I don't hear Mayweather making a gang of excuses. I heard Bob Arum, Mike Koncz, and Freddie Roach making a lot of excuses. More than a P4P top fighter and his team should be making (which is 0). First, Freddie Roach said fighting FMJ @147 was never going to happen. He said that Manny's the man now so Floyd has to come to us. The first person to publically mention the random testing, was Freddie Roach. On that occasion, Freddie Roach said they had no problem with it. Mike Koncz and Pacquiao both stated that the idea of taking random blood was something to laugh at and they weren't getting bent out of shape over it. Freddie Roach thought the turn around was too quick, and he wanted the fight pushed back. Arum had to force them to take the March date because of a busted ear drum. They admitted that Floyd shaved the days down to 14, and Manny HIMSELF rejected it. They went from not being bent out of shape, to announcing plans to sue after GBP put him on blast for his reluctance to agree to the testing. The guy cheated his way to become the P4P king and the juice wouldn't have been out of his system when the doping agency would begin testing. Let's not forget that Manny admitted on 60 Minutes that he loaded his pockets to make weight. I'm sure when he did it, he would've denied it. Since it was sooooo long ago, he can admit to it. You also have to take a look at his body language and his demeanor when the guy asked him if it worked? Look at the sinister grin he displayed. I truly believe that he's not above CHEATING to advance. Those who doubt he would do something of that sort, are the die hard lovers of a ****ing cheat.

[The Big Dunn]

So Pacquiao and his team literally saying in videos "Testing was all agreed upon" has no merit at all? But Floyd or his team saying "No, they didn't agree to ****" is supposed to be the gospel? Why am I supposed to believe one guy over the other? No, Pacquiao hasn't shown us proof that he agreed to testing on paper, but has Floyd either?

Not who you believe but how you interpret facts.

[The Big Dunn]

Let me help you out, me personally...

Because the other side wanted a 30 day cutoff, then a 24, then a 14 (After it was off the table entirely).

During that he only wanted to comply to 3 blood tests, 3 of which he already knew the date of, it's suppose to be 3-6 I believe, random too.

Then Roach came out and said he wouldn't demand Mosley take a drug test because that would be hypocritical of them, since they wouldn't be willing to do the same.

Before that, Koncz revealed they wanted a 7 cutoff. Pacquiao doing the usual, lying about having agreed to Mayweather's demands.

More times than not Pacquiao's team have been proven to be liars when it pertains to drug testing.

And if lying is what got Barry Bonds in front of a grand jury, its hard to argue that lying shouldn't raise questions from fans.

[oc9979]

I know this has been said before but...

If the boxing commissions and the powers that be don't require OSDT then why is there an entire cult of people backing Floyd on his demands?
Boxers box. Trainers train. Commissions run ****. The end.

Does it make sense to go out of your way to satisfy the wants of your opponent when its not mandatory?
Sure people can point to the "excuses" about needles and Manny's alleged head growth but Pacquiao's camp can make up as many excuses as they want as for reasons why not to take the tests because they don't have to.

Also, flip the coin.

If Pacquiao's camp for some reason pulled this on Floyd and demanded OSDT from him out of the blue do you think Floyd would comply? No, for the sake of going against the grain and not wanting to ease the mind of his opponent Floyd would argue the same.

He would say, "I've always tested clean and I take the tests required by the commission, lifestyle flashy".

The argument coming from the Mayweather camp and his cult following is a bit ridiculous.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Who is anyone to say that you literally CAN'T peak in your later years?

But people take the word of Roger or Floyd Sr. as gospel and that's that.

Kind of sad what boxing has come to really.

People who fight for a living avoiding opponents because their daddy got it in their head that they might lose their undefeated streak to a "cheater".

Boo on that.

The catch weight for De La Hoya, Cotto, and Margarito were to satisfy Pacquiao. The commission does not require catchweight.

[Ravishing]

Not who you believe but how you interpret facts.

What facts are there that Pacquiao is cheating? That's my whole thing. Whether Floyd is ducking Pac or Pac is ****ing up negotiations isn't my issue. Pacquiao's being accused of cheating w/out evidence, yet people are trying to make these debates with "facts" about nothing but negotiation tactics on both sides. All that's telling me is both sides have big egos and are not bending to the other. As someone who isn't biased towards either guy, that's how I personally see it, hence why you don't see me on these countless threads telling you Pac is a cheater or Floyd is a Saint and can do no wrong.

[Ravishing]

On that note...BRB

[p4p-champ]

But for that, then every athlete you're watching is a PED suspect. So why bother watching sports in the 1st place? Like, why bother yourself over that?

Absolutely, its the day and age we live in, unfortunately. I can't stop watching boxing though, I'm too big fan, but that's easy for me to say from my perspective. I'm not the one in the ring possibly going up against some cream and needle freak.

[tomhawq]

What facts are there that Pacquiao is cheating? That's my whole thing. Whether Floyd is ducking Pac or Pac is ****ing up negotiations isn't my issue. Pacquiao's being accused of cheating w/out evidence, yet people are trying to make these debates with "facts" about nothing but negotiation tactics on both sides. All that's telling me is both sides have big egos and are not bending to the other. As someone who isn't biased towards either guy, that's how I personally see it, hence why you don't see me on these countless threads telling you Pac is a cheater or Floyd is a Saint and can do no wrong.

that's why in this forum it's no longer about the truth. no one is really interested whether pacman is really cheating or not. almost three years have passed and nothing has come out. floyd fans are not interested in the truth. that's whom normal people are arguing with in this forum. it's an exercise in futility: it's okay to accuse people of cheating without evidence. it's as normal as breathing.