Pacquaio could have debunked Mayweather Jr's claims and been even bigger by ...

[Amazinger]

Taking random drug testing in his fights with Mosley, Margarito and forthcoming one with Marquez.

Why?

Some feel that Floyd's drug testing demands are because he's scared.

That is his way of ducking.
If that's the case, then wouldn't you say that in finding that Pacquaio is an all 'natural' fighter deter Mayweather Jr even more from fighting him.

Floyd and company found a way of ducking him and at the same time they think they will look good at it.


I think 100 % can agree on that.

I agree that floyd found an almost perfect way of ducking him.
But.

He didn't? He hasn't?

Which means only one thing. Yep!

Yup, Floyd runs with it and hope that we will believe him.....I'm just waiting for his court date regarding this.

If you're the best, take the test!

Indeed!!if Floyd "think' he is the best he must take the test.And his test is to fight Manny the BEAST.

[HandSpeed303]

Yes, I too, believe athletes take substances. Clearly you've missed my point, though. If any of those guys that I listed were to have to subject themselves to the testing that Lance Armstrong, Usain Bolt, or Michael Phelps had too, in order to compete in the biggest game of their careers... and they were to say "no" and give a plethora of shoddy excuses and then ask for a specific cutoff date, they'd get hounded by the media, point blank.

The only reason I added all those names is because for some reason, "high profile athlete" didn't correlate with MLB, NFL, NBA, EPL, etc... competitor, despite me having an NHL player in the initial batch of athletes.
Like you stated before, though, we agree on the drug testing issue at hand, superb indeed, handspeed, all is cool either way.

I gotcha!

I think where we were getting lost in translation was, all of the other sports (though they do have many high profile athletes), are not boxing.

If any of those athletes were to turn down a test, yes there would be hell to pay! Mainly cause the test is being held by their league commision, and not Kobe Bryant...

Boxing is not like that. A boxer can make demands that can then be inserted into a contract. That demand can be agreed upon, or declind. In most cases if a demand is declined, the fight is most likely off. There have also been many cases where demands can be negotiated, and fight on as planned.

I did get what you were saying, as I said though, maybe I was confused as to the athletes listed cause though they are "high profile", this situation just doesn't fit them. Commissions run all testing for those sports so refusal is not an option. Players do not suggest more testing for certain players. Players can come together and demand better testing as a whole, but not for one player, or certain number of games.

Boxing's commission has it's own testing proccess (that IMDAZED has informed me hasn't been upgraded since about 2000), but do to the fight being based on contracts, fighters can add their own demands. Those demands can go outside of the commision, as long as they are willing to pay for the cost.

That is maybe the reason we were bumping heads so much with this athlete thing. Realisticly, I can't see any of those athletes refusing (though I get the point). In boxing, a fighter has a choice to turn down any demand not Cited by the commission.

[HandSpeed303]

And for the record, had Pacquiao just said "no" to testing back in '09... of course I'd still want to know why, but he'd be in better standing overall if he just left it at that instead of going from suspect ("no") to bad (excuses) to awful (requesting cutoff dates).

Bold: We have a bit more in common than I thought previous. You can check my post history (if you like), but I have said the same thing.

If team Pac would have just said "beat it with that demand" in the first place. They would be in a much better place.

Saying yes, then saying no, and the circus that has followed really screwed Pac.

[deejd]

I gotcha!

I think where we were getting lost in translation was, all of the other sports (though they do have many high profile athletes), are not boxing.

If any of those athletes were to turn down a test, yes there would be hell to pay! Mainly cause the test is being held by their league commision, and not Kobe Bryant...

Boxing is not like that. A boxer can make demands that can then be inserted into a contract. That demand can be agreed upon, or declind. In most cases if a demand is declined, the fight is most likely off. There have also been many cases where demands can be negotiated, and fight on as planned.

I did get what you were saying, as I said though, maybe I was confused as to the athletes listed cause though they are "high profile", this situation just doesn't fit them. Commissions run all testing for those sports so refusal is not an option. Players do not suggest more testing for certain players. Players can come together and demand better testing as a whole, but not for one player, or certain number of games.

Boxing's commission has it's own testing proccess (that IMDAZED has informed me hasn't been upgraded since about 2000), but do to the fight being based on contracts. Fighters can add their own demands. That go outside of the commision. As long as they are willing to pay for the cost.

That is maybe the reason we were bumping heads so much with this athlete thing. Realisticly, I can't see any of those fighters refusing (though I get the point). In boxing, a fighter has a choice to turn down any demand not Cited by the commission.

Exactly, speed. I also understand your point on the whole league commission deal... when the urine test arrives for NFL athletes, they have to take that test. I also knew about boxing commissions having their own testing process, just like they have their own rules when it comes to their champion, that represents their title, being able to put up their belt at the max weight limit for their championship bout. As well as commissions having their rules as far as setting limits for weight penalties.

All that is neither here, nor there because we're on the same page as far as Landon Donovan getting two'd on by the media and fans if he were to ever refuse random testing.

I see you're where you're coming from on the league commissions deal, though, speed. Good points.

[HandSpeed303]

Exactly, speed. I also understand your point on the whole league commission deal... when the urine test arrives for NFL athletes, they have to take that test. I also knew about boxing commissions having their own testing process, just like they have their own rules when it comes to their champion, that represents their title, being able to put up their belt at the max weight limit for their championship bout. As well as commissions having their rules as far as setting limits for weight penalties.

All that is neither here, nor there because we're on the same page as far as Landon Donovan getting two'd on by the media and fans if he were to ever refuse random testing.

I see you're where you're coming from on the league commissions deal, though, speed. Good points.

Always good to just talk sports every now and then...

Lord knows I miss it.

[deejd]

Bold: We have a bit more in common than I thought previous. You can check my post history (if you like), but I have said the same thing.

If team Pac would have just said "beat it with that demand" in the first place. They would be in a much better place.

Saying yes, then saying no, and the circus that has followed really screwed Pac.

Exactly and I know that you aren't bias. We've had a debate or two on here and it's always boxing, amicable discussion. You're a boxing fan, man, I know this.

[deejd]

Always good to just talk sports every now and then...

Lord knows I miss it.

No bull, if only Goodell would stop devouring this splendid opportunity to cover the NFL offseason since we lost it last year to a Fonzi in South Beach.

[JoeDaWg]

Taking random drug testing in his fights with Mosley, Margarito and forthcoming one with Marquez.

Why?

Some feel that Floyd's drug testing demands are because he's scared. If that's the case, then wouldn't you say that in finding that Pacquaio is an all 'natural' fighter deter Mayweather Jr even more from fighting him. I think 100 % can agree on that.

But.

He didn't? He hasn't?

Which means only one thing. Yep!

That's some backwards ass **** right there. One guy starts a rumor, and then the other guy is obligated to prove him wrong?

How about this, someone says u have a 2 inch penis. Do u then post a pic of ur wang to "prove" them wrong? What u do is tell them to *** off bro.

Personally I would have laughed in floyds face and told him to eat a ****. Floyd is a little to blown up on himself, he isn't an active fighter and pac has climbed the boxing moutain and achieved atg status without mayweather. Just because floyd "wants" something doesn't mean he is gonna get it. Throwing tantrums doesn't work either, dude is lucky he s only getting sued, his recent antics are likely to get him put behind bars. He needs to start boxing again and his fight with ortiz is gonna be a great step in the right direction. Pac said he s willing to do all the testing floyd wants so its all good, its his choice but he sure as hell isn't obligated to "prove" his innocence to anyone.

[Roja's480]

truth hurts , *****'s last line of defense getting debunked, time to face it , floyd is ducking manny

the truth is he hasnt agreed to shit watch this video and tell me where he agreed, start @ 7:50

[RapidFire_Royce]

Whether you agree with the way the TS went about it or not you can't argue that from a strategic standpoint Paq would gain an immeasurable advantage if he were to incorporate tests. Because on both sides there has been a lot of talk and it doesn't matter who is talking ALL THESE GUYS LIE!!! You can only trust actions in this sport. Floyd has started having tests done for every fight. And if many were to do the same if just for one fight so he could say "not only did i say i was not afraid of testing i actually went out and DID the testing and would do the same thing in a fight with floyd." All this bickering back and forth about whether he would or not would cease and the ball would be totally in Mayweathers court. then DON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING THAT IS SAID ONLY WATCH THE ACTIONS. if the fight is made after that good if not there would be absolutely no excuse from the mayweather camp that should be acceptable in anyones eyes. These guys are playing chess with each other!