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[HandSpeed303]

I never thought he was on something... to a degree, I still don't think he's on something. But it would be naive of me to think he's squeaky clean after his response to random drug testing in an era of sports where the greatest in most have been linked to PEDs.

I couldn't care less about the test results... I care more about whether the athlete even takes them or not. You think Usain Bolt, Michael Phelps, Alex Ovechkin, Lance Armstrong, any high profile athlete, would get away with rejecting random drug testing? Could you imagine if it was Mayweather who was endorsing the refusal to test, the negative response he'd receive would be insurmountable.

And even in your opinion, you claim that Mayweather is "on something." Well, at least he tested. The guy must be smarter than we all believe, yeah?

I said I think that every high profile atklete is on something. The thing about most of the athletes you named, they have to go through OST (year round) cause they compete in the world games.

As far as the refusal of the test goes, if it was Floyd, yes the responds would be out of control...But the those same fans that love to kill Manny about it, would be behind Floyd 100%! So I think that would level things out.

Now in terms of boxing, do I believe that fighters should take the test upon request? Yes. Now do they have to? No, they don't. OST is not a requirement for the sport of boxing. Fighters have the right to refuse it. Then of course, they must deal with any backlash that comes with that statement. Most of the athletes you named, don't have a choice.

Floyd is making it a required practice in order to fight him. That is the choice Floyd has made (not the sport of boxing), and I am fine with that. Pac is slowly coming to the conclusion that he will just have to accept the test to fight Floyd, cause Floyd is never going to drop the demand. Manny has to swallow his pride on this one.

[HandSpeed303]

This is exactly what I'm talking about, handspeed. You see you're buddy...
Translation: "who cares if he's on 'roids, fight him anyway..."

Bold: Don't do that...I don't even know that poster. If he agree's with a statement I make, that is fine. That doesn't mean he is my "buddy", or that we even think alike.

You know why some people feel the way he feels? Cause Floyd himself said that he would beat Pac, PEDS or not. So some fans feel he should just put up, or shut up. Why ask for the test if he is such easy work with or without PEDS? That is why some people feel that way. Not me, but some fans do.

[deejd]

I said I think that every high profile atklete is on something. The thing about most of the athletes you named, they have to go through OST (year round) cause they compete in the world games.

As far as the refusal of the test goes, if it was Floyd, yes the responds would be out of control...But the those same fans that love to kill Manny about it, would be behind Floyd 100%! So I think that would level things out.

Now in terms of boxing, do I believe that fighters should take the test upon request? Yes. Now do they have to? No, they don't. OST is not a requirement for the sport of boxing. Fighters have the right to refuse it. Then of course, they must deal with any backlash that comes with that statement. Most of the athletes you named, don't have a choice.

Floyd is making it a required practice in order to fight him. That is the choice Floyd has made (not the sport of boxing), and I am fine with that. Pac is slowly coming to the conclusion that he will just have to accept the test to fight Floyd, cause Floyd is never going to drop the demand. Manny has to swallow his pride on this one.

Okay... Juan Bautista, Stephen Strasburg, Clay Matthews, Dwight Howard, David Beckham... does that help your perception on the matter? Not trying to be a ****, but, apparently they didn't count as "high profile athlete" despite me throwing Ovechkin in there.

I doubt the small percentage that support Mayweather would stroke his ego and defend him if he rejected testing. Most fans of Mayweather happen to not hate Pacquiao and possess common sense, and further, would question "why?"

Stans wouldn't even question Pacquiao as to why he wouldn't agree and just blindly went with the poor excuses that were chosen followed by cutoff dates. There were posters here that said 14 days isn't fair in Jan. 10 that said 14 days is great when that offer wasn't there in May '10.

Look, we agree on fighters should take whatever testing requested but they're not obligated to. The problem is that, you don't file a lawsuit if you're "laughing at the matter", quoted Koncz on Pacquiao. More or less, file a lawsuit when you know you're clean and have the opportunity to legitimize your standing for the record.

Also, I don't see Pacquiao swallowing his pride. There's far too much on the line for him. It's not just boxing, it's his reputation.

[deejd]

Bold: Don't do that...I don't even know that poster. If he agree's with a statement I make, that is fine. That doesn't mean he is my "buddy", or that we even think alike.

You know why some people feel the way he feels? Cause Floyd himself said that he would beat Pac, PEDS or not. So some fans feel he should just put up, or shut up. Why ask for the test if he is such easy work with or without PEDS? That is why some people feel that way. Not me, but some fans do.

Great, don't assume I believe Pacquiao's juicing just because I called his stans out.

At least you understand that there's a principle that Mayweather is trying to drive home.

[Manny#1ATG]

Most Americans that follow boxing already think Pacquiao is a cheat based on his refusal of testing. If you banned Southeast Asian IPs from a forum and started topics like this, I would bet about 90% of the posters be they Pacfans, Mayweather hates, Mayweather fans, etc...would all agree that Manny is suspect for not taking some simple tests. Only because we have so many Pinoy spamming every boxing forum is the reason we even have these discussions.

[HandSpeed303]

Okay... Juan Bautista, Stephen Strasburg, Clay Matthews, Dwight Howard, David Beckham... does that help your perception on the matter? Not trying to be a ****, but, apparently they didn't count as "high profile athlete" despite me throwing Ovechkin in there.
I doubt the small percentage that support Mayweather would stroke his ego and defend him if he rejected testing. Most fans of Mayweather happen to not hate Pacquiao and possess common sense, and further, would question "why?"

Stans wouldn't even question Pacquiao as to why he wouldn't agree and just blindly went with the poor excuses that were chosen followed by cutoff dates. There were posters here that said 14 days isn't fair in Jan. 10 that said 14 days is great when that offer wasn't there in May '10.

Look, we agree on fighters should take whatever testing requested but they're not obligated to. The problem is that, you don't file a lawsuit if you're "laughing at the matter", quoted Koncz on Pacquiao. More or less, file a lawsuit when you know you're clean and have the opportunity to legitimize your standing for the record.

Also, I don't see Pacquiao swallowing his pride. There's far too much on the line for him. It's not just boxing, it's his reputation.

Bro, are you talking about all of these athletes taking OST? Maybe you are misunderstanding me. I said that I think every high profile athlete is on something. I didn't say steriods, or HGH, or EPO...I believe that every athlete puts things into their bodies that make them feel like they are performing at a high level (i'm mainly talking about supplements (even though some of those are banned now too), not hardcore PEDS). Take T.O. and Shannon Shape for example. T.O. stated during his incedent with the Cowboys, that he takes 52 pills a day...He has never tested positive for anything. Sharpe while with the Broncos stated he took about 38 to 40 pills day.

My point is, athletes take stuff. Now are the things they put into thier bodies banned is the question. Yes, I think Manny is taking something, but I don't think it is a banned substance.

Anyway, we agree on most points. As far as me assuming you think Manny was on something, maybe I read the post wrong. You were saying that Manny fans should just come out and say this and that, and maybe I did assume you had your mind made up. That is my bad. Hopefully this will help you see better where I am coming from.

[deejd]

Bro, are you talking about all of these athletes taking OST? Maybe you are misunderstanding me. I said that I think every high profile athlete is on something. I didn't say steriods, or HGH, or EPO...I believe that every athlete puts things into their bodies that make them feel like they are performing at a high level. Take T.O. and Shannon Shape for example. T.O. stated during his incedent with the Cowboys, that he takes 52 pills a day...He has never tested positive for anything. Sharpe while with the Broncos stated he took about 38 to 40 pills day.

My point is, athletes take stuff. Now are the things they put into thier bodies banned is the question. Yes, I think Manny is taking something, but I don't think it is a banned substance.

Anyway, we agree on most points. As far as me assuming you think Manny was on something, maybe I read the post wrong. You were that Manny fans should just come out and say this and that, and maybe I did assume you had your mind made up. That is my bad. Hopefully this will help you see better where I am coming from.

Yes, I too, believe athletes take substances. Clearly you've missed my point, though. If any of those guys that I listed were to have to subject themselves to the testing that Lance Armstrong, Usain Bolt, or Michael Phelps had too, in order to compete in the biggest game of their careers... and they were to say "no" and give a plethora of shoddy excuses and then ask for a specific cutoff date, they'd get hounded by the media, point blank.

The only reason I added all those names is because for some reason, "high profile athlete" didn't correlate with MLB, NFL, NBA, EPL, etc... competitor, despite me having an NHL player in the initial batch of athletes.

Like you stated before, though, we agree on the drug testing issue at hand, superb indeed, handspeed, all is cool either way.

[deejd]

And for the record, had Pacquiao just said "no" to testing back in '09... of course I'd still want to know why, but he'd be in better standing overall if he just left it at that instead of going from suspect ("no") to bad (excuses) to awful (requesting cutoff dates).

[mushahadeen]

a very self-serving thread, no doubt.......which brings to mind that some people wants chaos to rule or thinks so very highly of themselves as to have the right to dictate/demand anything under the sun....imagine if every tom, **** and harry demand this and that and this and that.....the universe is govern by rules and laws..not by whimsical people he he he

ok but clearly SOME fighters r on PEDs. look @ steroidgio martinez. what r u supposed 2 just turn a blind eye to blatant steroid use? some1 has 2 compel them 2 take the test.

[ADP02]

testing year round is much more important than testing with a cutoff. it would be pointless to take drugs few days before a fight and magically make you this beast or something and then somehow flushes out of your system the minute the fight ends.

**** floyd and his fake ass ped crusade, and **** his fans who eat this ***** up.

i mean come on, floyd's fighting again. you don't need to this crap anymore and just enjoy your man's 3rd (or was it 4th? i lost count) comeback fight

Correct .... Floyd just stated that he was doing some upper body strengthening workouts ..... so this all happened BEFORE the contract was signed with Ortiz.

No possible testing during Floyd's no-fight period makes it a complete joke.