Dan Rafael: "The Mayweathers should be WORRIED about the Pac lawsuit"

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  • Reloaded
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    #101
    Originally posted by louvega
    Being both Mayweather and Pacquiao boxers, and the nature of Mayweather's statements injurious to Pacquiao's profession (taking drugs to be a better boxer), this would be considered defamation per se. What this means is that Pacquiao's side doesn't have to prove any damages. They are automatically presumed.
    All of Mannys resources finances and political standing ( elected ) have gone UP , maybe Floyd snr should sue for his share of the profits since he gave Pac most of the publicity ,,, lol , how you gunna sue for damages when all your stock went UP , there is no damage .

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      #102
      Originally posted by Reloaded
      Why are you ***ers so dumb , its not about catching Manny or is he guilty or innocent , its about he was asked to take a test and he said no and it stopped a 50 mill fight from happening ,, thats a huge RED FLAG !!
      The Mayweathers already accused Pac even before the negotiation start right after the Hatton fight. Keep thinking yourself this is nothing. lol!

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      • louvega
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        #103
        Originally posted by Reloaded
        All of Mannys resources finances and political standing ( elected ) have gone UP , maybe Floyd snr should sue for his share of the profits since he gave Pac most of the publicity ,,, lol , how you gunna sue for damages when all your stock went UP , there is no damage .
        He's suing for defamation, not damages. As mentioned before, being it a per se defamation, damages are presumed, so your argument is void. In any case, these could be damages to his reputation, for example. Keep in mind Pacquiao is also a public/political figure in his country, so keeping his image intact is very important for him.

        Also, how do you quantify in a courtroom Pacquiao's 'stock went up' due to Mayweather's accusations and not because of Pacquiao's ring performances or political activities? You can't.

        I think Mayweather is going to lose this one easily. The fact that the judge went ahead with the lawsuit is quite telling, as these are usually shot down quickly. I have no idea what kind of punishment he will recieve.

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          #104
          Originally posted by Reloaded
          All of Mannys resources finances and political standing ( elected ) have gone UP , maybe Floyd snr should sue for his share of the profits since he gave Pac most of the publicity ,,, lol , how you gunna sue for damages when all your stock went UP , there is no damage .


          There are four types of defamation called "defamation per se," which means that the defamation is a given and it's not necessary to provide proof of damage. Defamation per se is when someone falsely claims like you have a foul disease (such as a serious and highly contagious one, like an STD), when someone falsly claims you are guitly of sexual misconduct, when someone falsely states that you have committed a crime (Pacquiao accused he was using phohibited drugs in sports like steroid/PEDs), or when someone says that you are not fit to run a business. In these cases of defamation per se, the only proof needed is that the statement was made.

          When the defamation is a statement made against public figures (p4p#1 Pacquiao), like members of the government (Congresman Pacquiao), officers of large corporations, or performing artists (singer/actor Pacquiao), additional proof (there are tons of them in printed, auidio, video, t-shirt, the *****s) is needed for a successful lawsuit. The defamed person must prove that the statement was made with "actual malice" and with disregard for the truth. In other words, the person who defamed must have done so with the intention of doing harm and/or with a reckless disregard for the truth.
          Last edited by straightleft; 06-04-2011, 02:27 AM.

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            #105
            Originally posted by eklok
            they should really be worried , you can search this forum alone for evidence , enough to convince the jury
            summon all the *****s and extract their testimonies, thatll ensure jailterm for floyd, they are more than willing to supply the padlock to floyds cell to save him from pacquiao.

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              #106
              Originally posted by louvega
              He's suing for defamation, not damages. As mentioned before, being it a per se defamation, damages are presumed, so your argument is void. In any case, these could be damages to his reputation, for example. Keep in mind Pacquiao is also a public/political figure in his country, so keeping his image intact is very important for him.

              Also, how do you quantify in a courtroom Pacquiao's 'stock went up' due to Mayweather's accusations and not because of Pacquiao's ring performances or political activities? You can't.

              I think Mayweather is going to lose this one easily. The fact that the judge went ahead with the lawsuit is quite telling, as these are usually shot down quickly. I have no idea what kind of punishment he will recieve.

              The fact the judge went ahead is because he had too , to stop it there he must be presented with a conflicting point of law , vary rarely will a judge throw out a case based soley on a brief of evidence , and in this case thats all he got .

              You still dont say how Pac is damaged , what proof is there of Damage , without damage how can you prove defamation , on what grounds moral , point of law , non were broken , so no damage no defamation there is no grounds ,,,

              on the contrary it could be proven that all his assets went UP , that his reputation went OP , how many million voted for him ,,,,,

              I cannot see how Pac can win this , if his sponsors dropped him and he lost the election , he would then have a case ,, the opposite happened , how much did scandal help him ,

              and then you want to say we dont like the sound of it so we will convict and assume the damages are Manny would have been twice as big , ..

              I bet the trial will be dropped , just like the first one , you know the one with invisible settlement and apology that wasnt an apology but a denial .

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                #107
                ****** people and idiots are careless with what they say because they believe that they have the right to say anything including against other people. they dont care if they harm the reputation of anyone because they believe their rights is more valuable than the rights of others,

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                  #108
                  Originally posted by tibbar
                  ****** people and idiots are careless with what they say because they believe that they have the right to say anything including against other people. they dont care if they harm the reputation of anyone because they believe their rights is more valuable than the rights of others,
                  Show proof his reputation was harmed ?

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                  • ronnie_N.
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                    #109
                    froch-johnson this weekend... yes!!!!

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                      #110
                      Originally posted by Reloaded
                      Show proof his reputation was harmed ?
                      LOL! Can't you see? the case against Mayweathers family is "defamation per se" - its means Pac doesn't need to provide any proof of damage cause to him whatsoever in the court! Read my previous post again.

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