Scott Levinson: "Memo to Pacfans: 12 Points to Consider"

[John Barron]

are you kidding me? have you seen almost all the youtube videos? especially the boxing analysis videos? the overwhelming majority are done by young black men who fancy themselves as some important all knowing sage & do nothing but hate on pacquiao. live in obscurity? dont make me laugh.

have you seen any of those "hate" videos before pacquiao became popular? i'm guessing no...i didn't. the vast majority of them supported pacquiao back then. a lot of these "young black men" resorted to making such videos because of the consistent response they got from racist and opinionated *******s disagreeing with their boxing opinion.

example:

example:


check all their video history.

bloodboxingreturnz made a very good video on this issue but he took it down because of all the flak he got, what a surprise.

you can't question pacquiao these days without repercussions FACT. don't try and spin this issue into something different.

even in sports radio shows, the callers who call are overwhelmingly black guys. Black guys who have nothing better to do but complain about their team & think their opinions have so much weight when in reality they are petty, insignificant & trifling.

this has nothing to do with boxing and the topic and borders on racism. the length you had to go to just to support your flimsy opinion speaks for itself. you're an idiot, i'm sorry.

i love the automatic defense that pac fans have

"but...but mayweather"

"but...but....*****s"

Every single thread without fail. Let's not even go into the racist **** they get into.

yup, it's like arguing with 8 year olds that have tourette's. 12 pages later and they're still in denial. mental *******ation.

if you can't read CarlosG815's posts without resorting to

but defending ignorance with the fact other people are just as ignorant will get u nowhere and will result in a never ending argument, this is a strategy used by women...

in your head...then just don't post at all. just give up.

[tangalog2200]

http://www.proboxing-fans.com/memo-t...nsider_052511/

Published: May 25 2011 by: Scott Levinson

Listen Up Pacquiao Fans....

I admire the way Filipinos support Manny Pacquiao. I can only wish boxing heroes were treated that way here in the USA. As one cruises the Internet, however, it appears that it has gone overboard. I understand it. After all, some are begrudging in giving Manny his just due as an all-time great. Couple that with the unsubstantiated drug accusations levied against Pac by Floyd Mayweather and his fans, and it’s not hard to figure out why Pacquiao fans are shot out of a cannon.

I regard Manny as the best in the sport. I also sided with him 100% in the whole drug debate. I found it troubling that Floyd’s half-baked theories were given any credence whatsoever. After all, doesn’t Floyd being a rival of Pacquiao’s cut into his credibility a little bit? That’s like letting the Yankees write the book on the Red Sox—I just don’t take seriously the criticisms of people with such an obvious vested interest and bias. The venom of Pacquiao supporters is somewhat justified in that area.

But now, it seems like Pacquiao fanatics are actually doing their man harm. The dialogue has become intolerable. Anyone making remarks that are even remotely negative toward Pacquiao catch a ton of flack. Even if you write an article about Muhammad Ali [or Bernard Hopkins] a bunch of weirdos will jump on there and ask why isn’t the article about Pacquiao? For educated boxing fans, the Internet is hard enough to stomach. But now, it has been made utterly unbearable.

I want all the Pacquiao fans to consider the following points with equanimity. Keep an even temper and actually ponder some of these points. Then maybe we can get to the business of serious boxing talk instead of juvenile pissing contests that go nowhere.

01. Boxing and its history are areas of knowledge that take years to develop just like any other subject. Being a Pacquiao fan does not necessarily make you an expert on boxing or the history of sport.

02. The belief that Americans and the U.S. press are predisposed to dislike foreign fighters is a preposterous notion. It’s more of a case of the top dog always catching flack. Go look at how other pound-for-pound #1 fighters in recent years were treated by the press and then tell me there is something abnormal about what Pacquiao is forced to endure.

03. There are at least 15 fighters in boxing history who have more than a good case for being ranked ahead of Pacquiao on the all-time list. You might think he’s the best of all-time and are entitled to your opinion. But to lambaste a person who dare suggests that Harry Greb was better (a man with 25 wins over fighters in the Hall of Fame) makes you look profoundly ignorant to any person who knows the history of the sport. Just so you know.

04. Strong opinions, bluster, and insults are no substitutes for actual knowledge. Go put in your 25,000 hours studying the sport and then you’ll be qualified to compete. Until then, you resemble a poodle pissing on an elephant’s leg. You’re in no position to question the expertise of certain people. Knowing your true strengths is also knowing your limitations. True expert status is not something you just magically acquire in any area of life, so why boxing?

05. You cannot judge boxing history accurately with the presence of bias. If you’re coming from a predisposed slant, I can pretty much predict everything that you will say. And those are the last people who get taken seriously when discussing boxing history.

06. To love a fighter and champion his cause is good. To call someone’s mother into question because he suggested Tommy Hearns in his prime might defeat Pacquiao is childish.

07. You can tell a boxing conversation is low-level when insults make up a large part of the dialogue. The real minds in the business of boxing history are able to discuss and disagree in a civil manner. People who are “in the know” build up a vast reservoir of knowledge upon which they carefully mold an opinion based on years of careful deliberation. You got the game all twisted. You began with a strong opinion and then built a case to support it.

08. Overly-obnoxious fans are actually accomplishing the opposite of what they intend—having turned off a ton of people with this infantile Internet campaign.

09. Real fans, historians, and the real clever minds in the business are not the same people you see slurring Pacquiao on lowly message boards and other places upon which you paint an impression of the typical American fan. You have allowed 1% of the fans to dictate the agenda to you.

10. Why does the fact that Pacquiao has achieved the bulk of his glory right here in the USA not speak louder to you than what a handful of asswipes might be saying on YouTube?

11. The levying of insults and even racism toward Mayweather and his fans detracted from the superior case Pacquiao has in this whole debate. Pacquiao fans could have won the debate on drugs or who the best is with superior evidence and point-making. By following Mayweather and his fans into the gutter, you took the focus off the actual merit of Pacquiao’s case.

12. It’s not too late. By elevating the level of boxing talk, you can start to nudge people the right way, rather than turn them off. The whole point here is for Pacquiao to get his just due and not be unjustly labeled as a cheater, isn’t it? So educate instead of denigrate. Explain the case and don’t just whack people over the head. Filipinos know their boxing. It’s time to show it. Leave the kid stuff for the kids.

this piece would have done more if not for the bias against pac fans; as the issues raised were prevalent not only to pac fans but also to die-hard fans of any boxers. One need not go back too deep in boxing history or acquire expert status to defend a very clear and offending slur against an idol...one can not be blind and indifferent to a racial slur, an unsubstantiated accusation and so on....

[tangalog2200]

it's so baffling that a boxer with a difficult name to pronounce and spell can appeal to billions and billions of the mentally handicapped from every corners of the world wide web.

billions and billions of mentally handicapped? wow, you must be a rocket scientist to consider yourself being "not mentally handicapped".....congratulations he he he

[Deal With It]

*******s are without a shadow of a doubt, the most EPIC trolls to ever grace these series of tubes some people refer to as the internet. It's been an absolute pleasure to watch them unrelentlessly troll the ever-loving ****bawls out of boxing fans for the past 2 & 1/2 years and cause huttburt on such a massive scale.

*******s have been such successful trolls, that even the talking heads in the mainstream sports media world, have adopted alot of their misinformation & distortions as talking points... well, except for Teddy Atlas who has taken it upon himself to do a little counter trolling.

[solo20]

dam *******s are a bunch of nutjobs cant wait when Pac is gone then these ball lickers will be gone too

[Canelo Phresh]

have you seen any of those "hate" videos before pacquiao became popular? i'm guessing no...i didn't. the vast majority of them supported pacquiao back then. a lot of these "young black men" resorted to making such videos because of the consistent response they got from racist and opinionated *******s disagreeing with their boxing opinion.

example:

example:


check all their video history.

bloodboxingreturnz made a very good video on this issue but he took it down because of all the flak he got, what a surprise.

you can't question pacquiao these days without repurcussions FACT. don't try and spin this issue into something different.


this has nothing to do with boxing and the topic and borders on racism. the length you had to go to just to support your flimsy opinion speaks for itself. you're an idiot, i'm sorry.


yup, it's like arguing with 8 year olds that have tourette's. 12 pages later and they're still in denial. mental *******ation.

if you can't read CarlosG815's posts without resorting to

in your head...then just don't post at all. just give up.

abidda abidda abidda thats all fokes end/

[Pocket Dogs!]

this piece would have done more if not for the bias against pac fans; as the issues raised were prevalent not only to pac fans but also to die-hard fans of any boxers. One need not go back too deep in boxing history or acquire expert status to defend a very clear and offending slur against an idol...one can not be blind and indifferent to a racial slur, an unsubstantiated accusation and so on....

The reason why he focuses on Pacfans is because of his experience with them. Get that through your thick skull. Scott Levinson writes about it in the article. I can't believe you guys are still bitching at the guy because he never talks about Floyd's fans or any other boxer's fans. True, any fighter can be subsititued for Pacquiao, but most of the responses he gets from his articles are usually related to Pacquiao. And for the most part, he's not biased, he's just speaking the truth.

[Mr. Philadel]

Pac fans are DIE HARD...so if they start spazzin'
you might see the first drive-by from a bandwagon!! LOL

[John Barron]

[El Jesus]

I think what the writer is talking about is the level of organization among pacquiao fans to slander, bring down anyone who has anything negative to say. Most other fans are limited in number, and limited in the amount of time spent defending a said fighter.

You will see mayweather fans (like myself) defending some of his desicions, issues, stances etc on messageboards and comments here and there. But pacquiao is a national hero among a group of people who have a large contingent on the internet and a huge following on the internet, this leads to alot of people sitting online defending his honor in droves of numbers.

Pacquiao is a national hero and hes right when he says alot of these people havent been following him since his immediate rise in the sport and hes looked at so feverishly in his country you get alot of people living vicariously through his accomplishments. As if the sport didint exist before he did.

I have been here a long time, mexicans and filipinos used to battle it out in racist fashion all the time, tyson, jones jr, klitschkos etc, even miranda has had their share of rabid fans.

But pacquiao fans not only outnumber everyone, they make more topics than anyone, they reply more than anyone, they are the largest contingent of fans period. Just read the responses in this thread, you can tell some of these people are catching feelings because there is alot of truth in whats being said.

For the most part, majority, a good 95 percent of these posters in this thread talk about nothing but either pac or mayweather, and explore new ways of upping his accomplishments and downing everyone elses.

The fact is, especially after the Oscar fight, pac fans have overtaken this board, and have successfully ran most of the sensible posters off the board.

Lets be honest, everyday pac is a subject, and not like when jones jr, or mayweather or hopkins was number 1, no, were talking 90 percent of whats on the first page is usually about him or pertaining to him.

Pac fans sheer numbers ran everyone else out of the building. I certainly dont post much anymore because im just bored with it, id rather just go to boxing history or read the news.

Everyday its "*****" "*******" etc.

How many hardcore mayweather fans are there on this site? MAYBE 15-20, MAYBE. Now how many pac fans? well over 200.

That is why the article is the way it is, for 4 years now we have all been forced to have every decent thread about mayweather, pacquiao be lodged into flame wars and name calling.

Im talking over 30 years of age, talking about mayweather being a drug addict monkey etc. Come on man.