Sweet Pee was the same size as Manny

[jrosales13]

Well take a way Pacs power and speed and hed be nothing. Same thing. Martinez is a big guy it is what it is. We cant take away his height. Weve seen Pac beat bigger guys.


Margarito: Martinez:

5-11 5-10

"73 inch reach "75 inch reach


Also fight night weight would be about the same.

Boxing doesnt have height and reach classes. Pac has had disadvantages in fights before and won. So I cant buy Top Ranks excuse that hes too big. Its that he is too skilled. Chavez is big too at 6-0, with 73 inch reach and Pac would absolutely body him at any weight.

Its not about the weight its about the skills and style of the fighter imo.

OK burner yes taking talent away is the same thing as taking size away. Lets have Martinez keep his talent but just take his size so he can match Manny but take Manny talent away. Yes same thing. Brilliant, F'ing Brilliant Burner.

You right he's not too big at all. You absolutely right, we don't have height divisions. We have weight-classes. One Mofo is a legit MW. the other one is a legit WW. But, you right he's not too big at all. One mofo would have to cutoff a leg to make 150 the other one has to eat all day just to weigh-in at 150 ON FIGHT NIGHT. But, you right in a weight-class sense there is no size issue here.

Good convo, Burner.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

OK burner yes taking talent away is the same thing as taking size away. Lets have Martinez keep his talent but just take his size so he can match Manny but take Manny talent away. Yes same thing. Brilliant, F'ing Brilliant Burner.

You right he's not too big at all. You absolutely right, we don't have height divisions. We have weight-classes. One Mofo is a legit MW. the other one is a legit WW. But, you right he's not too big at all. One mofo would have to cutoff a leg to make 150 the other one has to eat all day just to weigh-in at 150 ON FIGHT NIGHT. But, you right in a weight-class sense there is no size issue here.

Good convo, Burner.

Dude all the extra arrogant stuck up stuff is uncalled for bro. You said take away something that Martinez uses very well (Height, reach). So I said take away something that Pac uses very well (speed and power).

I was making the point to you that its just as silly. Martinez is tall. It is what it is. Pac has his advantages (speed) it is what it is.

I dont want to hear about what he has to eat. Enough already. Pacquiao is a grown man. A blazing fast grown man with one punch power in both hands. I dont want to hear it. Im tired of the forum babying him like hes Billy Dib. Hes not.

Like I said which you had no argument for by the way other than childish insults is the fact that Margarito is 5-11 with a 73 inch reach and he was bodied by Pacquiao. He also was much heavier than Pac and was atleast 165 Pounds if I remember correctly.


Martinez is (5-10, 75") and would weigh just about just the same as Marg did vs. Pac. So again no excuses. Its not about weight its about the skill. Pac is in full cherry pick mode. He held a title at JMW. They can fight there.

And again Chavez is 6-0 feet with a 73 inch reach and Pac would shut him out or stop him late. So again Im not buying it.

[Sin City]

Martinez vs Pacquiao would be an awesome fight. You can't forget that Martinez is a middleweight and Pacquiao's gone up like 8 divisions. Martinez started off, if I'm not mistaken, at Jr. Middleweight or it could've been Welterweight?

So not only do you have a guy who's physically much bigger but he can also box. Any smart promoter wouldn't feed their fighter to the lions like that.

[jrosales13]

Dude all the extra arrogant stuck up stuff is uncalled for bro. You said take away something that Martinez uses very well (Height, reach). So I said take away something that Pac uses very well (speed and power).

I was making the point to you that its just as silly. Martinez is tall. It is what it is. Pac has his advantages (speed) it is what it is.

I dont want to hear about what he has to eat. Enough already. Pacquiao is a grown man. A blazing fast grown man with one punch power in both hands. I dont want to hear it. Im tired of the forum babying him like hes Billy Dib. Hes not.

Like I said which you had no argument for by the way other than childish insults is the fact that Margarito is 5-11 with a 73 inch reach and he was bodied by Pacquiao. He also was much heavier than Pac and was atleast 165 Pounds if I remember correctly.


Martinez is (5-10, 75") and would weigh just about just the same as Marg did vs. Pac. So again no excuses. Its not about weight its about the skill. Pac is in full cherry pick mode. He held a title at JMW. They can fight there.

And again Chavez is 6-0 feet with a 73 inch reach and Pac would shut him out or stop him late. So again Im not buying it.

OMFG Burner, You're a smart one.

Martinez is not only tall Burner. Think about it. Nobody making excuses on what Pac has to eat when he's fighting WW's at WW. Muthfucker, but when you start talking about facing a MW and act like there is no size advantage it's F'ing ******ed.

Honestly do you not see that? Are you being that much of a hater or are you that ****** that you don't see a huge size size difference between the two? Which of the two is it?

What an F'ing idiotic statement about babying him like Dib's or whoever the fuck you said...Yes Burner, that's exactly what everybody is doing. F'ing brilliant bravo I'm very amazed by your intelligence level.

Again lets make this shit clear one more time. Because, apparently you didn't read it or are two slow to understand. Martinez is the truth, he's damn good. He's has the skills and style to beat Pac. Yes Martinez might be smaller than Margarito and Chavez Jr. Neither Marg or Chavez Jr has the skills or style to do anything to Pac. They just have size and size alone won't win. Martinez not only has the size but the skills and style.

But, again because you can be so ignorant at times. If you keep Martinez skills, style, talent, attributes, intangibles. And, you keep Pac skills, style, talent, attributes, intangibles. But, make both same size, same weight, same height same reach. You would have to favor Pacquiao. How can you favor somebody who keeps his hands down against Pac? But, in real life he can afford to keep his hands down against Pac because he has a big size advantage. To ignore that is fucking ******. And, in reality you would have to favor Martinez because of the size mixed in with the skills.

Again one mofo would have to cutoff a leg to make 150. Seriously Martinez would be a deadman walking at 150. The other mofo would have to eat so much just to be 150 on F'ing fight night. The eating is not an excuse when you talking about him fighting other WWs at WW. But, I'm sorry Martinez is not a WW so to act like there is no size advantage. Is insane to me.

[jrosales13]

Martinez vs Pacquiao would be an awesome fight. You can't forget that Martinez is a middleweight and Pacquiao's gone up like 8 divisions. Martinez started off, if I'm not mistaken, at Jr. Middleweight or it could've been Welterweight?

So not only do you have a guy who's physically much bigger but he can also box. Any smart promoter wouldn't feed their fighter to the lions like that.

Martinez started off as WW. He fought Margarito and lost to Marg at WW.

But, you're absolutely right with the 2nd paragraph.

[Sin City]

here's the thing I don't understand.. and I hate to bring up Mayweather again but it is a Burner thread and he is right between the two! when it comes to size it's Pacquiao then Mayweather then Martinez. [from smallest to largest]

He could be fighting both of them and making loads of bank doing so! why doesn't he?
He is after all, "Money" Mayweather!

If he feels he's better than both then why not capitalize on it? that's a guaranteed 50 mil each!


edit: when I say "right between the two" i don't mean burner but Mayweather. just to make things clear lol

[Hi-Dro]

Pac said Marg's punches hurt him a lot

thus, he doesn't want to fight significantly bigger man anymore. At the very least nothing above 147. So ya'll should stop bringing up his fight with Marg as reasoning for him fighting Martinez.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

here's the thing I don't understand.. and I hate to bring up Mayweather again but it is a Burner thread and he is right between the two! when it comes to size it's Pacquiao then Mayweather then Martinez. [from smallest to largest]

He could be fighting both of them and making loads of bank doing so! why doesn't he?
He is after all, "Money" Mayweather!

If he feels he's better than both then why not capitalize on it? that's a guaranteed 50 mil each!

This isnt a burner thread.

And seriously sin are we going to keep arguing over this?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Pac said Marg's punches hurt him a lot

thus, he doesn't want to fight significantly bigger man anymore. At the very least nothing above 147. So ya'll should stop bringing up his fight with Marg as reasoning for him fighting Martinez.

Pac was hurt against JMM, Cotto and Larios. Didnt stop him from moving up though.

[Sin City]

This isnt a burner thread.

And seriously sin are we going to keep arguing over this?

Are you not the poster who used to refer to himself as Burner?