Comments Thread For: Nick Diaz Backing Away From Jeff Lacy Showdown

[pistol whip]

I know that, what I am saying is that Toney was thrown into the MMA sport with a Legend , no warm up fights, nothing

hey man, Ray Mercer held his own and got a nice MMA win

Wresters. Ju Jitsu fighters, Kick Boxer, Mu Thai Fighters all got thrown into the cage against top level guys and eventually became important parts of MMA.


Boxing sadly has lagged behind all those disciplines because it has refused to produce fighters that can adjust and actually develope a well rounded fighting game.

[Clegg]

thats what I mean man, James didnt go in there and fought the frito lay worker who does MMA on the side, the went in against a legend

MMA wont let their fighters come into boxing period

look at Da Spider Silva
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...2826&cat=boxer
1-1 with 1 KO loss, yeah it was a long time ago, but still

also kj noons
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...9486&cat=boxer

Toney, that's one guy. That's it.

Mercer fought in MMA, but don't forget that the fight with Sylvia was originally intended to be a boxing fight. It's not that Mercer was willing to come over but Sylvia wasn't, it's the fact that the commission got involved.

Diaz wanted to go into boxing because he was unhappy with the opportunities/money in MMA. Toney went into MMA because he was unhappy with the opportunities/money in MMA. If you honestly think Toney would've turned down a big money title shot in boxing in order to fight MMA for less cash then you're wrong, yet it seems like people are criticising Diaz for doing that.

Yeah, the UFC stopped Silva from facing Roy. And King stopped Mayorga from facing Din Thomas. It balances out.

Not sure why you bring up Noons. When he tries to fight lower level guys to improve, people slate him. Yet when he called out Pac and Floyd, people slated him.

[mrlopez]

i heard

Dana White was pissed when the story initially broke that Diaz was going to fight Lacy in a boxing match.
Also heard he was going to either a.threaten him with kicking him out of ufc or b.offer him a fight with St.Pierre in order to keep him under his grasp...
looks like b happened

[Barry Halls]

Wresters. Ju Jitsu fighters, Kick Boxer, Mu Thai Fighters all got thrown into the cage against top level guys and eventually became important parts of MMA.


Boxing sadly has lagged behind all those disciplines because it has refused to produce fighters that can adjust and actually develope a well rounded fighting game.

The reason boxing "lags behind" is that there is not economical incentive for prime boxers to switch sport, like there is for wrestlers, bjj-players and kickboxers.

If none of the talented boxer make the leap, and we only see old hasbeens ofcourse its gonna "lag behind".

[MrFynest]

Glad he backed out. He has a great winning streak going and self esteem is as an all time high. Shot or not he isn't going to beat Lacy. If he were to fight Lacy he will lose badly and it may ruin him mentally and he'll lose some of that killer instinct/agressiveness.

[bigdlb12]

ray mercer got beat by kimbo slice. a street fighter.

he did insta-KO Tim Sylvia, which i was really happy with, but lets be real. Beating Sylvia nowadays is like beating Roy Jones.

true, dont get it twisted , I dont think we will see a successful mma/boxer in our lifetime , someone who can go into each sport and be on top

Toney, that's one guy. That's it.

Mercer fought in MMA, but don't forget that the fight with Sylvia was originally intended to be a boxing fight. It's not that Mercer was willing to come over but Sylvia wasn't, it's the fact that the commission got involved.

Yeah, the UFC stopped Silva from facing Roy. And King stopped Mayorga from facing Din Thomas. It balances out.

Not sure why you bring up Noons. When he tries to fight lower level guys to improve, people slate him. Yet when he called out Pac and Floyd, people slated him.

ok, answer me this, what MMA fighters have gone into boxing and face any of the top 25 in any weight division?

many MMA fighters are not happy with their pay, even the top paid MMA fighters

"UFC 100's two successful title defenders, heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar and welterweight title-holder Georges St-Pierre, each earned event-high $400,000 paydays from the July 11 event. "

I remember watching Chop Chop fight and the promoters weer taking about how he was making $150,000 for that fight, and it wasnt against any big name

my wife's uncle fights in the UFC, and he doesnt make that much, hence he is good, but the money isnt there like it should be

Funny how some good boxers are willing to go into MMA, but Dana White isnt having it, I remember the Mayorga thing, also Cintron had said he would go in and fight in MMA rules, but that never happened neither, not sure why.

I say, get a pro boxer vs a pro mma fighter, do 2 fights, one MMA and one boxing

[Barry Halls]

brock lesnar and gsp makes 400k + ppv revenue. They get a certain % based on how successful the card is.

They usually land around 1-3 million.

theres no need for some sort of "do 1 boxing fight do 1 mma fight". We already know the outcome.

[bigdlb12]

brock lesnar and gsp makes 400k + ppv revenue. They get a certain % based on how successful the card is.

They usually land around 1-3 million.

theres no need for some sort of "do 1 boxing fight do 1 mma fight". We already know the outcome.

try about 1.2-1.4 million, they are the big draws for the sport, you wont see pacman making that low of an amount

[Clegg]

ok, answer me this, what MMA fighters have gone into boxing and face any of the top 25 in any weight division?

None, and as I already said in my post that James Toney is the only guy from boxing to cross-over at a high level. Not sure what your point is.

many MMA fighters are not happy with their pay, even the top paid MMA fighters

"UFC 100's two successful title defenders, heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar and welterweight title-holder Georges St-Pierre, each earned event-high $400,000 paydays from the July 11 event. "

I remember watching Chop Chop fight and the promoters weer taking about how he was making $150,000 for that fight, and it wasnt against any big name

my wife's uncle fights in the UFC, and he doesnt make that much, hence he is good, but the money isnt there like it should be

Not sure what this has to do with anything.

Funny how some good boxers are willing to go into MMA, but Dana White isnt having it, I remember the Mayorga thing, also Cintron had said he would go in and fight in MMA rules, but that never happened neither, not sure why.

Why are you bringing up Mayorga? It was a boxing promoter that stopped that from happening, not anyone in MMA.

Yeah, Cintron spoke about wanting to fight top guys in MMA. And Noons spoke about wanting to fight top guys in boxing. You have no argument here.

Dana offered Enzo Maccarinelli big money to fight in the UFC. Despite having trained BJJ (which very few boxers have) Enzo turned it down.

By the way, Diaz is a better MMA fighter than Cintron, Mayorga or Toney are boxers.

It seems like you're trying to make out that top boxers are up for an MMA challenge but top MMA guys aren't willing to try boxing. I don't think the facts bear that out.

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I'm glad this happened, that way he finally gets his hands on that punk GSP. This is good news for fans who follow both sports I say.