My Top 10 Heavyweights of All Time

[JUYJUY]

but your lack of knowledge is embarrassing.

I have the best knowledge of boxing on this board, some people can't accept that.

[JUYJUY]

How do you rate Jack Johnson?

He was the best defensive heavyweight of his day, a defensive genius in those days. He was stationary, but because fighters back then only threw one or two punches at a time he was able to anticipate and catch the punches out of the air. If he fought a more modern fighter though, a more modern fighter throwing six or seven punches at a time, he wouldn't stand much chance because he wasn't elusive with his body.

[SnoopySmurf]

Lennox Lewis?? No way. He was losing every round to Frank Bruno before a lucky punch, clearly lost to Ray Mercer, knocked out by Oliver McCall, knocked out by Hasim Rahman, and made his name by beating up an ancient Holyfield and a very, very ancient Tyson, and he even lost the second fight against the washed up Holyfield and was losing against Klitschko.

McCall and Rahman are very ordinary fighters who knocked out Lewis, and Tyson was in better shape against Williams and McBride than he was against Lewis.

In terms of talent and cutting edge, Lewis was just not in the same class as the guys on my list. Patterson's speed and skills make Lewis look like a sack of ****.

Lewis will be in the Hall of Fame, but to me, he'll always be questionable as a great fighter. as you said, he defeated an old Tyson and an old Holyfield.

Holmes would have had no difficulty catching Lewis with his telephone pole jab. Although Lewis had a good jab as well, a few good ones from Holmes would have had him dazed by the middle rounds.

[SnoopySmurf]

I have the best knowledge of boxing on this board, some people can't accept that.

I accept it, however, you seem to throw insults at people, like myself, when we disagree on things that are purely subjective. Not that it matters all that much to me, as my opinion is right while yours is wrong.

[OliverNo1]

Here we go.....

Holyfield lost the trilogy with Bowe, then beat a washed up Tyson, and then proceeded to look very very ordinary against everyone else he ever fought.

What/who eactley did Holyfield beat (and beat well) to justify his god like rating amongst the americans?(thats not a racist opinion just the way i see it)

[SnoopySmurf]

Here we go.....

Holyfield lost the trilogy with Bowe, then beat a washed up Tyson, and then proceeded to look very very ordinary against everyone else he ever fought.

What/who eactley did Holyfield beat (and beat well) to justify his god like rating amongst the americans?(thats not a racist opinion just the way i see it)

I don't think he's all that great, either. But he is a small heavyweight and took on bigger taller guys and went to war with them. He didn't back down. He took it like a man in defeat and still came back for more. He went to war with Bowe and Lewis and many other HWs.

He doesn't have to win big, he can lose a close fight and still look good in our eyes. Perhaps that is why he is in such high regard among boxing fans.

[OliverNo1]

I have a lot of respect for you guys over the pond, and as you see much more boxing than us in the uk your opinions must be respected.

BUT if heart and the ability to go to war is all thats needed then Arturo Gatti etc should be in the list for 140lbs.

No?, didnt think so.

[SnoopySmurf]

I have a lot of respect for you guys over the pond, and as you see much more boxing than us in the uk your opinions must be respected.

BUT if heart and the ability to go to war is all thats needed then Arturo Gatti etc should be in the list for 140lbs.

No?, didnt think so.

You hit the nail on the head. Gatti is more popular than Mayweather.

EDIT : I didn't think Gatti was all that, either. Americans love drama. And Gatti has it in spades.

[J !]

I have the best knowledge of boxing on this board, some people can't accept that.

**** OFF YOU ARROGANT CHIMP
there plenty of folk who know more than you do son so dont give it the big un. Just cos you claim to have been an amateur whoop di ****in do.

you are too arrogant to know as much as some and refuse to take on board other opinions.

I can name several who have more knowledge than you

Jabsrstiff, Marvdave, Yogi, Shoalin Bushido, Barry Boy and im not even thinking hard.

Anyonwe who think Eubank is the best british fighter in the past 15 years and refuses to recognsise Lennox lewis of the likes of Floyd patterson knows **** all about **** all .


cheers do come again.

1. Ali / Joe Louis
I Cant Seperate Never Have Been Able To
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. George Foreman
6. Jack Johnson
7. Marciano
8. Holyfield
9. Liston
10. Tyson

Honourable Mentions For Smokin Joe /dempsey / Ezzard Charles / John L Sullivan And Gentleman Jim.

[KidBlackie]

[[[How do you rate Jack Johnson? Talented, great record (discounting thrown fights).]]]
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What thrown fights? Johnson never threw a fight in his life. He lied about throwing the Willard fight, and quit a few fights later in his career when he was getting a beating. And no, I don't rate Johnson highly. The MAN in his era was Sam Langford. Now Sam had to wear the cuffs in some fights in attempt to set up rematches. Sam fought from lightweight all the way up to the heavys and never received a single title shot in spite of having more KOs than JackJohnson had fights.