Comments Thread For: Khan Rips Judah: I Want Someone Who Comes To Fight!

[tank17211]

Huh? Look who's talking, what did he do against Maidana?

Good point. He also doesnt want to fight Judah its a high risk and low reward.

[mrlopez]

didnt

this monkey lookin ********* run away from maidana in the last part of his fight? que mensote

[Rome-By-Ko]

LOOOL, so Khan never came forward? Never had McCloskey backing up? Never landed clean, scoring punches? Never held his ground?


Ok, guys; my memory of the fight is pretty good, but I just reviewed the tape to make sure.

• Round 1; Khan spends the majority of the round inching forward, throwing jabs and pushing McCloskey back several times in the round with his combinations. Khan will back off at points, looking to time his bursts and not be wasteful against an awkward opponent, but, overall, it's McCloskey trying to feed off of Khan's aggression, looking to counter but throwing very little.
  Emmanuel Steward: "Khan is coming out so aggressive."
  
  
• Round 2; Khan comes out aggressively again and pushes McCloskey back onto the defensive with jabs and a clean right hand over the top. Instead of pursuing him to the corner, Khan backs off to draw McCloskey back to center-ring, then immediately attacks again and lands another clean right hand. McCloskey still throwing precious little. Khan lands jabs, a left-hook and more right hands in the round and also finds the body; he spends the majority of the round inching forward and pushing Paul back.
  
  
• Round 3; Khan is still inching forward and pushing McCloskey back with offense for the first minute of the round. McCloskey is defending capably, not shipping too much damage, but seems very apprehensive to throw. Emmanuel Steward: "Khan is fighting the perfect fight for this kind of fighter", meaning he's using measured aggression against an awkward, highly defensive style, "he's putting pressure on and throwing his volume of punches".
  Finally, at the halfway point in the round, as Khan is laying off, Paul comes forward with some kind of purpose and lands a decent left hand. The remainder of the round is a rinse/repeat cycle of Khan moving away, as McCloskey comes forward without throwing, and then pushing Paul back with bunches of shots. Khan even performs a neat evasive sidestep of McCloskey's left hand while landing his own flush as he flies out of McCloskey's vision, a move reminiscent of Pacquiao in his second fight with Marquez. As the round finishes, the fighters enter a clinch and McCloskey makes a flapping attempt at fighting inside, landing punches to the back of the head, before the official breaks them.
  
  
• Round 4; Khan comes out aiming hooks at head and body. For the first part of the round, he's inching McCloskey back again and throwing the volume of shots. When McCloskey moves his head, Khan is landing by making sure there's more than one punch for Paul to try to avoid.
  In the second part of the round, Paul decides to go for it and shows some actual aggression, coming forward and throwing punches, while Khan mostly circles away and occasionally flurries.
  
  
• Round 5; Khan comes out holding his ground in center-ring and soon pushes McCloskey back with a combination. McCloskey's continuing with his more concerted effort in this round, but pretty much every attack he mounts ends with him being pushed back by Khan's offensive bursts. Khan spends most of the last part of the round circling center-ring and outthrowing/outlanding McCloskey. Merchant: "Khan is fighting him smart as well as aggressive."
  
  
• Round 6; Lampley: "You saw the compubox numbers between rounds, which shows Khan throwing twice as many punches as McCloskey". Khan is not only throwing more than McCloskey, but his punches have been the more assertive and solid by far. Khan starts the round circling center-ring and knocking McCloskey back with offensive flurries. Now Khan's standing in center-ring with his gloves high, landing uppercuts up close. The fighters break, Khan comes forward, the heads clash, the fight ends.

LMAOOO, so, because Khan moved in and out and circled at intervals, he wasn't the aggressor in the fight? Khan wasn't the one looking for one big counter-punch in this fight, he spent a large part of it pressing the action on the front foot. And when Khan was going back, what did McCloskey do? There were only two rounds in the fight where you could say that McCloskey was actually aggressive at all.

I know you guys hate Khan and are desperate to discredit him, but this is some barrel-scraping argumentativeness, a weak-ass case at trying to support this fallacy that Khan "ran" from McCloskey.

Whether McCloskey was hard to tag cleanly or not, whether Khan circled and moved in and out or not, Khan was the one outpunching and outlanding McCloskey by far. Khan won every round by dint of the aggression he showed. I saw Khan being the aggressor live, the commentators and color-commentator saw Khan being the aggressor from their position - Khan was the aggressor, period.

You did a lot of heavy explaining for not,I said he made the fight he was the only one who punched..But Mcflurry was coming forward..And Khan like in many of his fights was moving backwards..His style is in and out anyway(is it not??)so of course he is moving backward..Be honest Paulie was the one coming forward in their fight,it's not to say Khan is not aggressive but here he is talking about running which in essence is part of his style..

[Wazaa..]

Khan just owned Judah verbally.

But I think Judah would spark Khan if they actually fought. Khan just isn't as good as advertised.

[PRINCE O' PROSE]

You did a lot of heavy explaining for not,I said he made the fight he was the only one who punched..But Mcflurry was coming forward..And Khan like in many of his fights was moving backwards..His style is in and out anyway(is it not??)so of course he is moving backward..Be honest Paulie was the one coming forward in their fight,it's not to say Khan is not aggressive but here he is talking about running which in essence is part of his style..

You were looking to defend the other guy's assertion that Khan "ran". But it's an indefensible position.

Khan used movement, which is not the same as running. And he was very clearly the aggressor in the fight. He spent a large part of it bursting forward and pressing the action on the front foot, throwing punches - in your own words, be honest.

McCloskey isn't really a front foot fighter, BTW. If you've watched him, you'll know he likes to hang around in front of a fighter in center-ring and operate on that swivel, making his guy whiff shots and countering. That's what McCloskey was trying to implement by coming forward when he wasn't being backed up, because that's his game, that's why he didn't really come at Khan throwing punches and also why he looked out of sorts when he had to try to do so. Khan's game is aggressive movement and that's what he used to deny McCloskey any real chance to fight his fight.

Manny Pacquiao is an in and out fighter. Is he not aggressive? Is he running?

What Khan typically does is nothing like "running". Moving in and out and circling while getting off a high volume of punches isn't running, it's called boxing.


If we were talking about Mayweather Jr.'s past use of movement in the ring and labelling that "running", I'm guessing you'd see things differently.

[haverespect]

jesus christ khan is a joke a tool bag a clown he has no chance with judah at all. we doesnt want this fight . he gets knocked out cold.

And you base that on what?

Judah would get ktfo by Maidana , outboxed by Kotelnik .. he isnt on Khans level and if Maidana couldn't ko khan what makes you think Zab can? I mean the losers beats that african and your all up in his ass

[haverespect]

this monkey lookin ********* run away from maidana in the last part of his fight? que mensote

Absolute Racist nob head

[Rome-By-Ko]

You were looking to defend the other guy's assertion that Khan "ran". But it's an indefensible position.

Khan used movement, which is not the same as running. And he was very clearly the aggressor in the fight. He spent a large part of it bursting forward and pressing the action on the front foot, throwing punches - in your own words, be honest.

McCloskey isn't really a front foot fighter, BTW. If you've watched him, you'll know he likes to hang around in front of a fighter in center-ring and operate on that swivel, making his guy whiff shots and countering. That's what McCloskey was trying to implement by coming forward when he wasn't being backed up, because that's his game, that's why he didn't really come at Khan throwing punches and also why he looked out of sorts when he had to try to do so. Khan's game is aggressive movement and that's what he used to deny McCloskey any real chance to fight his fight.

Manny Pacquiao is an in and out fighter. Is he not aggressive? Is he running?

What Khan typically does is nothing like "running". Moving in and out and circling while getting off a high volume of punches isn't running, it's called boxing.


If we were talking about Mayweather Jr.'s past use of movement in the ring and labelling that "running", I'm guessing you'd see things differently.

Khan and Pac can not(I repeat)can not be compared in anyway..Pac does not go backwards(that much)he is always on the attack..He maybe in and out but not like Khan..Like ya said Khan uses movement(which in other words he is not moving forward)that does not come forward..Which was my point to start with,Your point was Khan was coming forward and he was'int..I also said(which funny enough was agreeing with the fact he was the aggressor in the fight)Khan MADE the fight he was the only one throwing..Only thing I disagreed with was Khan moving forward because he was'int and dude never moves forward(unless he has Paulie I can't crack and egg in front of him)ya get me now??I hope so..Whatever agrument ya was having with the other poster was not the argument ya having with me..Khan was moving away from Mcflurry(and most of his opponents for that matter)and this is what he is complaining about in this thread..Seems awful funny...

[Drunk Punch]

Judah is the best fight for Khan after Bradley. Judah has the name and a title. He's still good but beatable. Khan needs to atone for serving up an opponent like McCloskey and give us another exciting fight. Guerrero would be a very dangerous move IMO.

[PRINCE O' PROSE]

Khan and Pac can not(I repeat)can not be compared in anyway..Pac does not go backwards(that much)he is always on the attack..He maybe in and out but not like Khan..Like ya said Khan uses movement(which in other words he is not moving forward)that does not come forward..Which was my point to start with,Your point was Khan was coming forward and he was'int..I also said(which funny enough was agreeing with the fact he was the aggressor in the fight)Khan MADE the fight he was the only one throwing..Only thing I disagreed with was Khan moving forward because he was'int and dude never moves forward(unless he has Paulie I can't crack and egg in front of him)ya get me now??I hope so..Whatever agrument ya was having with the other poster was not the argument ya having with me..Khan was moving away from Mcflurry(and most of his opponents for that matter)and this is what he is complaining about in this thread..Seems awful funny...

I didn't say Khan and Pacquiao fight just alike, but you were implying that an "in and out" style is a running style by definition.

Khan spends a large part of the fight on the attack, not with the constancy of Pacquiao, but a large part. And Khan did stalk forward for a large portion of the McCloskey fight, as per my round by round. If you don't think so, you need to rewatch the fight. He didn't spend a majority of it ceding ground. He just didn't spend the whole fight constantly coming in one direction is all.

You were trying to support the idea that Khan "runs"; that's the argument you're sharing with the other guy, and it's not a defensible position. Using movement does not = "running". Argument over.