Comments Thread For: Pacquiao's Adviser Talks Marquez Trilogy, Steroid Claims

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Gag Order/Second negotiations: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...ions-completed

From your link.....

"Arum did not say if he and Schaefer had agreed on the issues before sending the final recommendations to Mayweather for approval"

So Richard, the " second negotiations " were between Arum and GBP according to your link, correct ?

Because the very day after his " deadline " expired, on July 17th 2010, Arum was forced to admit that neither he nor Ross Greenburg had ever spoken with anyone from GBP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324



Blob Arum..... tellin porkies again

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You're an idiot

Ok, Pac is steroid abuser, has fights in catch-weights and has fought hand picked old fighters. Now what? What's your point?

That is being far too hard on Manny.

Manny's recent resume' is full of old men, faded champions, and no-hopers..... oh yes, and catchweights.

But it is unfair to state that Pac is definitely a steroid cheat.

It is possible that Manny could be a steroid cheat, and his previous refusal to test does make him look highly su****ious.

The question mark is there, but let's not categorically accuse anyone without proof.

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As far as second negotiations, I believe Ross Greeburg of HBO a hell of a lot easier than the sleasy Ellerbe. Arum or Ellerbe can lie all they want, Greenburg is the credible source, bottom line.

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As far as second negotiations, I believe Ross Greeburg of HBO a hell of a lot easier than the sleasy Ellerbe. Arum or Ellerbe can lie all they want, Greenburg is the credible source, bottom line.

No my friend.

The bottom line is this..... BOB ARUM LIED ABOUT THE DEADLINE !!

So, it is CLEARLY impossible for official negotiations to have taken place in-between Arum's deadline of July 16th 2010 and his conference call on July 17th 2010.

Greenburg works for HBO dude, he has almost nothing to do with a standard fight negotiation. He is not "involved" in any negotiation process at all, he is "party to" a negotiation. His role is to supply/confirm figures/dates, and nothing more, just like what happened during the first negotiation.

And a mediator..... he will sit in a room with both parties and walk them through the process, which could take weeks.

Errand boy Greenburg got played, just like you.

It is clearly obvious that there was no second negotiation, just Bob Arum making excuses to keep it all in-house.

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History is not a fanboy , Mannys career after JMM is full of holes and if he ducks the testing and Floyd it will forever be the question to anyone that questions Mannys validity , you can beat a drum while the show is on but history embraces fact not hype ,,, his fights are not legit !!

JMM at CW because he as got Manny worked out , so they need an advantage ,, again , Manny out weighed JMM in the 2 fights already now they figured it wasnt enough advantage , its all so fake .

You're idiot! pac is a WW monster! CW in WW is for JMM's favor, not for Pac!

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IF he takes the test and fights Floyd he is going to get owned , ol Mosley showed you that if you got any clue what your looking at , unless your rose colored glasses are still in Pacland , if Manny fought Floyd and won I would give him all the props in the world , a hater hates with no facts , there is lots of facts that put a cloud over Manny .

You're hopeless person.. You're still talking to the first negotiation that flopped! Well, now, Pac already had agreed to PBF blood test term, and where is PBF??? You will never give props to Pac and you know that better, because PBF will not go risking his dear "0 loss" record to a better man he chided "midget..!" A hater will always hates basing regardless on just malicious rumor!

pacquiao has already ruined his legacy beating these old washed up fighters but more seroius than that is going into the boxing hall of fame with a asterisk next to his career. great job cheater. enjoy the doubts..

Cheater???! hahaha! you're just hater! Mosley was not old just few months ago when PBF fought him? and JMM was not washed up too when he faced PBF? That all of a sudden they are all washed up when they had to face Pac? Common, PBF demanded blowing up fighters in his favor, just like JMM in WW CW and Hatton in WW.. but he is afraid fighting hardened and younger WW in the likes of Cotto and Margarito.. and now he is cowering to Pac..

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Anyways, isnt the testing issue a thing of the past ?

A few days ago Bob Arum publicly stated that Manny would agree to the full WADA testing procedure. So officially, that roadblock has now been removed.

I thought that was kinda a big deal ?

I am sure that is the first time that an official statement has been made by Team Pacquiao confirming that the testing is no longer an issue? Unless I missed something?

Koncz stated that a 7-day cutoff would be acceptable, and there was that youtube vid..... but as far as I know Arum's statement is the first official confirmation that testing will not be an issue?

Arum knew that Mayweather would not be fighting this year when he made that statement, but at least Team Pacquiao are now on record as having agreed to the full testing procedure.

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Greenburg specifically indicated there were second negotiations and two people confirmed his involvement. and I trust his word above Arum and Ellerbe. The news was everywhere that they decided this time around no one would discuss the negotiations with the media to keep rumors to m a minimum and the gag order resulted.

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Greenburg specifically indicated there were second negotiations and two people confirmed his involvement. and I trust his word above Arum and Ellerbe. The news was everywhere that they decided this time around no one would discuss the negotiations with the media to keep rumors to m a minimum and the gag order resulted.

No richardt.....

If Greenburg was telling the truth, then Bob Arum must have been lying ?

Because 9 days after Greenburg (apparently) started " negotiations ", Bob Arum himself confirmed that NO negotiations were currently underway, and Ellerbe confirmed that there were no negotiations scheduled for the immediate future.....
http://www.examiner.com/x-20066-Pitt...ill-interested

And yet again..... 12 days after Greenburg (apparently) started " negotiations ", Arum again confimed that NO negotiations were currently underway, and Schaefer himself confimed that there were no negotiations scheduled for the immediate future.....
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=69
http://zh-cn.facebook.com/note.php?n...19734301390302

Even as late as 7 weeks after Greenburg (apparently) started " negotiations ", Bob Arum still insisted that GBP were representing Mayweather..... “ Patience, patience, patience, ” said Arum, who has been in the thick of negotiations with Golden Boy Promotions (GBP) regarding what is expected to be the richest fight in boxing history.....
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/293759

In fact, the first time that I can recall Greenberg even being mentioned, was during Arum's conference call.

* The first word of Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations beginning came from Arum’s mouth.

* The “gag order” provision also came from Arum.

* everything we’ve heard about these “negotiations” has come from Arum…

I would be on the fence regarding who to believe if Arum had not established a long history of lying about the progress and status of behind-the-scenes fight negotiations. Paul Magno:
http://insidefights.com/2010/06/14/e...pacquiao-bout/

So who is the liar dude..... Greenburg or Arum ?

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM BEING FORCED TO ADMIT IT.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

AND, HERE IS WHY HE DID IT.....

Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

HAS THE PENNY DROPPED YET?

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richardt, lets agree to disagree, and move on.

There is PILES of evidence to prove that the " negotiations " did not happen.

There is NO EVIDENCE AT ALL, to suggest that negotiations did take place.

You are believing whatever you want to believe, in spite of the facts, and in spite of common-sense..... lets just move on.