[VIDEO] Naazim: The debate (who would win between Mayweather and Pacquiao) is over

[eklok]

you cannot outpoint manny in a welterweight fight , he's gonna be to busy floyd will duck and duck , literally

[Maidana vs Rios]

fantasy fight?

pac loses by brutal KO in the late rounds, as usual

[studentofthegam]

fantasy fight?

pac loses by brutal KO in the late rounds, as usual

Its the best bet. Its like arguing whether or not water is wet. It may not make it to the double digit rounds.

[champ_kw]

fantasy fight?

pac loses by brutal KO in the late rounds, as usual

The premise of this entire thread is a corner man who trained his fighter to face both guys was asked his opinion of how he thinks the fight would play out. Why do you guys get so bent out of shape because someone voices their opinion of different fighters attributes and how they would stack up to each other? You have websites dedicated to rating high school athletes "projecting" how they'll perform in college. You have major networks paying big salaries for pundits "projecting" how draft picks will stack up in the pros. It's only an issue when a boxing lifer such as Naazim, "projects" that judging by Floyd's and Pac's skill sets, he doesn't see much of a debate as to how Floyd could beat him. Why are you so butt hurt over that? It's not a fantasy fight...it's a potential fight. You microwave generation clowns are annoying. Oh my gosh....how in the world did boxing fans of the 80's wait 5 years for the SRL vs Hagler fight to materialize? Oh no...you mean we have to wait until Mike Tyson's prison sentence and a few more fights to finally get a Tyson vs Holyfield fight? This fight has only been a legitimate fight prospect for 2 years tops. You can't see the forest from the trees. Stop acting like this fight is the end all be all to boxing, and realize there are other fights and fighters making noise in the sport. Let the politics, finger pointing, negotiation jousting, etc run it's course on this fight. It'll more than likely happen, just be patient. And learn the difference between a fantasy fight and a potential fight.

[AssasinKing]

I see ur playing on the level close to ******ation. Pac has always been ordinary skill set wise. That was never the debate. The debate is how HBO can put up a graphic stating that with the more weight Pac puts on, his output goes UP. I don't have to be a fan of Mayweather to find something odd in that. I'm a fan of boxing. I've watched SRL, Pernell, Oscar, Tito, Floyd, Roy, Evander, etc all move up in weight and they had to sacrifice something physically. What most of u Pac fans have to realize, ur asking fans of the sport to not only ignore Pac's decent, but history of science. We have over a 100 years of examples in this sport supporting that something is fishy with him. 30 plus years old, 50 plus fights, 50 plus training camps, coupled with the fact Pac fights in a style where his offense is his defense....how does he not sacrifice energy and speed when he moves up? History shows it does not happen. Period.

Only clowns like u think all of a sudden Pac is a knockout artist and that people are pointing to his power as an indicator of HGH use. Roy Jones and Floyd caught flack for beating guys on skills and not brute power and guess what??? Roy has a higher ko% than Manny and Floyd's is only 5% lower.

So I laugh at u novice who think the issue is that Floyd is afraid of getting ko'd by the big bad wolf Pac. They ran from random testing because EPO and other endurance drugs (the type cyclists take that allows them to keep lean muscles but increase endurance and the ability to push the conditioning phase of training beyond normal levels) are taken during the conditioning phase. Not the fighting phase. Of course they are willing to test the night of, the week of, after the fight....because the advantage is gained during the conditioning phase. Class dismissed.

That is a good post....

But theres always going to be questions, like how can you prove that pac was training as hard from his 20's-25 years of age....compared to now in the last 5 years? How do we know its not the fact Alex Ariza is the best in the business by a mile?

What pac is doing is not IMPOSSIBLE...its just that unbelievable.... Now im not saying "im 100% sure he doesnt take anything" Cos there is always that chance....

But people cant sit there and say he is on something either.....I mean we all know what mayweather is like, he would **** on any1 for anything, and hes smart...he brings up things that make people think twice....He knows how to get around people, even like in these few "after dark" videos hes been doing, people are almost feeling sorry for him lol

If the boxing commission decide to make random blood testing a must....then so be it.... I dont think theres gonna be a problem

Its the fact Floyd is demanding it, thats where the problem is coming from

If the sport want to "keep it clean" and theres no other way to spot these effects besides the random blood testing...then make it compulsory to every1 in boxing....

[champ_kw]

That is a good post....

But theres always going to be questions, like how can you prove that pac was training as hard from his 20's-25 years of age....compared to now in the last 5 years? How do we know its not the fact Alex Ariza is the best in the business by a mile?

What pac is doing is not IMPOSSIBLE...its just that unbelievable.... Now im not saying "im 100% sure he doesnt take anything" Cos there is always that chance....

But people cant sit there and say he is on something either.....I mean we all know what mayweather is like, he would **** on any1 for anything, and hes smart...he brings up things that make people think twice....He knows how to get around people, even like in these few "after dark" videos hes been doing, people are almost feeling sorry for him lol

If the boxing commission decide to make random blood testing a must....then so be it.... I dont think theres gonna be a problem

Its the fact Floyd is demanding it, thats where the problem is coming from
If the sport want to "keep it clean" and theres no other way to spot these effects besides the random blood testing...then make it compulsory to every1 in boxing....

I doubt it. Boxing contracts and negotiations are fickle and the terms are normally dictated by the fighters. When Oscar and Floyd fought, Oscar chose the ring size, gloves, revenue splits, and even small things like who name is first on the billing. It's not out of the norm for a fighter to demand anything in negotiations. Normally I don't get too invested in the behind the scene boardroom crap, but it's hard listening to people hang onto the random testing as if it's a ploy for the fight not happening. When I heard about it the first time, I assumed it was just a normal demand like most fights have. Only when Pac and Top Rank balked at it, did it become a major issue. Random drug testing in 2011 in any sport CAN'T be viewed as something wrong. Regardless of who requested it, and regardless of their reasons. If it make people feel better to say Floyd requested it because he's scared....fine. But there is still nothing wrong with the request at the end of the day. We live in the information age. You have people clamoring for proof the President is a citizen or even a photo of Bin Laden dead to prove his death is legit. As I stated before, Pac isn't the first supreme athlete this sport has ever seen. There will never be another Pernell, Roy Jones, or SRL. Those were guys that were gems to this sport. And guess what? Age and weight gain coupled with the duration of their careers took away from those natural advantages. This is what the history of the sport has shown us. I refuse to believe Pac is above being a normal human being.

I was watching PTI one day and they were talking about Tiger Woods recent injuries. And Kornheiser posed the question...."Could his body breaking down be a sign of potential PED usage?" And it made me think. How cynical and naive can this world be all in one stroke. So when a knee injury robs a great player of his glory...it's fair to question if PED usage is a part of it all because of the age we live in. Yet, no one is willing to state the same for a guy close to his mid 30's, 50 plus fights deep, add the rigorous 50 plus training camps, and his fighting style. Only then does it become convenient to call his potential opponent a coward. I'm puzzled daily by the faux outrage over Floyd asking for a test in a combat sport, when there are 120 lb men riding bikes through mountains being popped doping up every year. I'm confused and saddened what hate and "fan-dom" can do to some peoples rational thinking abilities.

[AeKhuban]

who cares about a a kd when ****m was about to stop the fight in the 10th against may. Only in pac land a kd and no potential tko>>>>no kd but potential tko

******s at best

Only *****s will tell Mayweather can KO Manny even their hero can't even knock out jmm whom jumped 2 division for fight Floyd who can't even manage to come at contract weight.

****m was about to stop the fight didn't happen. It is just illusion of the *****s. The last time Floyd KO a boxer is vs Hatton who move 1 division from his natural division.

[eklok]

floyd ko'd big momma, fact!!!!

[OG Triple]

NEVER bet against floyd in a fantasy fight

[LA_2_Vegas]

I doubt it. Boxing contracts and negotiations are fickle and the terms are normally dictated by the fighters. When Oscar and Floyd fought, Oscar chose the ring size, gloves, revenue splits, and even small things like who name is first on the billing. It's not out of the norm for a fighter to demand anything in negotiations. Normally I don't get too invested in the behind the scene boardroom crap, but it's hard listening to people hang onto the random testing as if it's a ploy for the fight not happening. When I heard about it the first time, I assumed it was just a normal demand like most fights have. Only when Pac and Top Rank balked at it, did it become a major issue. Random drug testing in 2011 in any sport CAN'T be viewed as something wrong. Regardless of who requested it, and regardless of their reasons. If it make people feel better to say Floyd requested it because he's scared....fine. But there is still nothing wrong with the request at the end of the day. We live in the information age. You have people clamoring for proof the President is a citizen or even a photo of Bin Laden dead to prove his death is legit. As I stated before, Pac isn't the first supreme athlete this sport has ever seen. There will never be another Pernell, Roy Jones, or SRL. Those were guys that were gems to this sport. And guess what? Age and weight gain coupled with the duration of their careers took away from those natural advantages. This is what the history of the sport has shown us. I refuse to believe Pac is above being a normal human being.

I was watching PTI one day and they were talking about Tiger Woods recent injuries. And Kornheiser posed the question...."Could his body breaking down be a sign of potential PED usage?" And it made me think. How cynical and naive can this world be all in one stroke. So when a knee injury robs a great player of his glory...it's fair to question if PED usage is a part of it all because of the age we live in. Yet, no one is willing to state the same for a guy close to his mid 30's, 50 plus fights deep, add the rigorous 50 plus training camps, and his fighting style. Only then does it become convenient to call his potential opponent a coward. I'm puzzled daily by the faux outrage over Floyd asking for a test in a combat sport, when there are 120 lb men riding bikes through mountains being popped doping up every year. I'm confused and saddened what hate and "fan-dom" can do to some peoples rational thinking abilities.

two great posts man