Is Anyone Convinced ****m is a Great Trainer?

[PlayerKiller]

One thing I will say, he seems a great motivator and has good game plans. It's up to his fighters to do the job.

[Code Red]

The problem with no ladwork is that you really need it to keep up the snap and intense speed.

The towel is OK on the heavy bag but the foam sticks does not repliacte padwork. When you punch a pad with power wrong, you know it didn't connect right. This is important to hit crisp shots, be sharp and time well for the real thing. Hitting sticks softly isn't good at all.

Shane and that foam stick workout looked ridiculous, he wasnt achieving anything with that, not even punching naturally, like he was more worried about accidently hitting Naz

[MindBat]

Great whistle blower and a decent trainer is more like it.

[shadeyfizzle]

Yes I know about the stroke but those training methods are still wack, again I didnt ask if he was a great philosopher but trainer, training a guy for a fight takes more than talk. I know Roach, Floyd Sr, Roger, Steward they get in the ring and put in work with their fighters, how can Naz train if he cant physically work with the fighter? Thats why there is no footage on Fightcamp or 24/7, Shanes training is bowling, twitter, and chasing da panties.

How good of a trainer naz is....is debatable. The foam sticks' effectiveness is debatable. But it is necessary. Particularly for aging fighters like bhop and mosley whose gameplans revolve increasingly around getting punches off 1st and counterpunching because of decreasing reflexes. There is no other way to simulate the superior handspeed the aging fighter will face and train to counter reflexively once the opening presents itself without sparring

[Code Red]

How good of a trainer naz is....is debatable. The foam sticks' effectiveness is debatable. But it is necessary. Particularly for aging fighters like bhop and mosley whose gameplans revolve increasingly around getting punches off 1st and counterpunching because of decreasing reflexes. There is no other way to simulate the superior handspeed the aging fighter will face and train to counter reflexively once the opening presents itself without sparring

I remember Floyd and Sr making fun of his towel routine in the gym, they probably right, that towel didnt help Shane evade any of Floyd's punches, I already know his strategy is to clinch Pac and he'll be able to cause Pac always rushes in with sometimes wild flurries, I'd of loved to see some kind of Naz workout with Shane dealing with countering flurries. All they could offer was footage of them watching the Marquez fight snd unfortunately for Shane he cant fight like Marquez.

[shadeyfizzle]

I remember Floyd and Sr making fun of his towel routine in the gym, they probably right, that towel didnt help Shane evade any of Floyd's punches, I already know his strategy is to clinch Pac and he'll be able to cause Pac always rushes in with sometimes wild flurries, I'd of loved to see some kind of Naz workout with Shane dealing with countering flurries. All they could offer was footage of them watching the Marquez fight snd unfortunately for Shane he cant fight like Marquez.

would have been the same even with actual padwork because it's the same looping motion and floyd didnt throw many looping punches. There's not much a trainer can do to revive a fighter's reaction time.

Notice how shane actually defended pretty well when floyd jabbed because it's muscle memory for a fighter but had no answer for the lead right because there's no training for something that's not telegraphed. Either they're able to react to it or they're not. Cant hold that against the trainer though.

[Code Red]

[/RIGHT]10489914]would have been the same even with actual padwork because it's the same looping motion and floyd didnt throw many looping punches. There's not much a trainer can do to revive a fighter's reaction time.

Notice how shane actually defended pretty well when floyd jabbed because it's muscle memory for a fighter but had no answer for the lead right because there's no training for something that's not telegraphed. Either they're able to react to it or they're not. Cant hold that against the trainer though.

Agreed which is why I would like to see what they're doing to simulate Pac's straight left, right hook counter off the jab, and those helter skelter flurries, I wonder if Naz even bothers to address specific attacks and defenses. I tbink he is more motivater than trainer, just be u Shane, u been here before, u know what do....this kind of **** is not training.

[shadeyfizzle]

Agreed which is why I would like to see what they're doing to simulate Pac's straight left, right hook counter off the jab, and those helter skelter flurries, I wonder if Naz even bothers to address specific attacks and defenses. I tbink he is more motivater than trainer, just be u Shane, u been here before, u know what do....this kind of **** is not training.

I believe they elaborated on it slightly on fightcamp 360.

Naz pretty much summed up what i been tryin to tell people about the pac/marquez fights. that marquez's success wasnt from counterpunching like most people like to believe. just that marquez beat him to the punch and strung a couple more behind the intial punch that stops pac's forward movement.

So i think the strategy is to try and get punches off first before pacquiao has opportunities to flurry.

[Code Red]

I believe they elaborated on it slightly on fightcamp 360.

Naz pretty much summed up what i been tryin to tell people about the pac/marquez fights. that marquez's success wasnt from counterpunching like most people like to believe. just that marquez beat him to the punch and strung a couple more behind the intial punch that stops pac's forward movement.

So i think the strategy is to try and get punches off first before pacquiao has opportunities to flurry.

Marquez took steps back and timed Pac, counterpunching was definitely part of it, Marquez evaded Pac's bum rushes and left him looking confused. To me thats just boxing 101, something his opponents since Marquez know nothing about

[MartinM.]

I think naz is a good trainer, better suited for Hopkins I think than mosely.