Ring Magazine: Cotto now officially #10 p4p

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  • Pinoy4ever
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    #51
    Welcome Cotto, even though I don't see the same Cotto like we saw before the Margarito fight.

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    • Walt Liquor
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      #52
      Originally posted by ИATAS206
      Kessler was #1 at SMW
      Bika was #6 at SWM
      Allen Green was top 10

      Pound 4 Pound isn't only resume based either, or else Carl Froch would be top 5 for sure. Pound 4 Pound also takes into consideration the skills one has, for example Donaire's high pound 4 pound rankings prior to beating Montiel.

      Andre Ward most certainly deserves to be top 10 pound 4 pound, imo.
      I'm not buying everyone's rankings at the time of these wins, it's far too simplistic of a way to determine someone's true worth as a fighter. I prefer to look at that opponent's status as a fighter (for example, when someone knocks cotto off now they're going to be a million fools talking about how their guy beat a top 10 pfp fighter- when that's a bunch of bullshi t).

      green has ALWAYS been a mental midget and was never ever a top tier SMW, despite whatever ranking he was. Bika is a limited but very tough come forward guy. It takes as much of an elite talent to beat his as it does librado andrade. kessler was a good win (as I already mentioned).

      There's plenty dudes out there with more than one good win on their resumes.

      Donaire had a huge win vs a PFP guy already- Vic D. And skills are whatever. that's your opinion, I don't think Ward has looked all that skillful since the Miranda fight. Rough, yes, skillful no.

      Best win Kessler does not give you a pfp spot, especially when one of your rivals is mashing out common opponents in a more spectacular fashion and another dude in you weight class has wins over Dirrell, Pascal, JT, and Abe.

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      • -Huey-
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        #53
        Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby
        lol wins a against a 1 legged bum Foreman and a 37 year old coming out of a 2 year retirement = top 10 pound for pound?
        Pac got the #1 p4p spot by defeating a ******ed looking bum in DavidDiaz.

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        • Walt Liquor
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          #54
          Originally posted by The Surgeon
          He has beaten Kessler Bika and Green along with Miranda who were all rated highly when he beat them and resume isnt everything, skills, ability and potential all come into play when making a p4p list and once again its all subjective


          P4P is over rated anyways, fighters need to handle thier buisness in their weight classes and defend their belts more if u ask me

          Tho it helps get some good fights made that otherwise wouldnt and makes fighters want to "Shine" everytime out
          bold- not true, pfp lists are what YOU want them to be. I don't care about skills and ability if they are not being displayed at a high level. If you care more about that, then Bute looks far more impressive in the way he blows through B level comp at 168.

          I could not possibly agree more with the italics. See my post before if you care to get my opinion on those guy's being considered "highly rated" (post 52)
          Last edited by Walt Liquor; 05-03-2011, 01:40 PM.

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          • tonyjones
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            #55
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            Who cares wot that magazine thinks its very childish we all know who the 2best fighters in the world at the moment are,you can argue it either way and when the settle it(which they will)we 'll know for sure....As much as i respect cotto he dont deserve no top 10 place

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              #56
              Would be great if both Ward and Froch make the list before they fight in the Super Six final.

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              • ИATAS
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                #57
                Originally posted by Walt Liquor
                I'm not buying everyone's rankings at the time of these wins, it's far too simplistic of a way to determine someone's true worth as a fighter. I prefer to look at that opponent's status as a fighter (for example, when someone knocks cotto off now they're going to be a million fools talking about how their guy beat a top 10 pfp fighter- when that's a bunch of bullshi t).

                green has ALWAYS been a mental midget and was never ever a top tier SMW, despite whatever ranking he was. Bika is a limited but very tough come forward guy. It takes as much of an elite talent to beat his as it does librado andrade. kessler was a good win (as I already mentioned).

                There's plenty dudes out there with more than one good win on their resumes.

                Donaire had a huge win vs a PFP guy already- Vic D. And skills are whatever. that's your opinion, I don't think Ward has looked all that skillful since the Miranda fight. Rough, yes, skillful no.

                Best win Kessler does not give you a pfp spot, especially when one of your rivals is mashing out common opponents in a more spectacular fashion and another dude in you weight class has wins over Dirrell, Pascal, JT, and Abe.
                You're looking at resume only. That's not what pound 4 pound is about. It's the opinion of who you think are the top 10 fighters in the world.

                Ward beat the #1 guy in kessler, that counts for something. That's more than anyone else has done at 168. He's a heavy favorite to beat Abraham next and he's the favorite to win the super six tournament.

                Donaire beat Vic but he didn't do much after and yet was ranked #5 and #4 I believe at one point (prior to montiel). Ward is going a similar thing, he beat a top guy and beat a couple decent/good but not great guys since. What the ring, and many others, are doing is placing him in the top 10 based on his wins, his skills, his potential, etc.

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                • spyvsspy
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                  #58
                  Way to go Cotto! Haters gonna hate(insert picture of proud ice skating man here)

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                  • Cash Cow
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by DoktorSleepless
                    He's been a pro since 2001......

                    Cong**** to Mr Vacant title winner himself....about damn time
                    Last edited by Cash Cow; 05-03-2011, 03:13 PM.

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                    • Cash Cow
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                      #60
                      Cotto's on the P4P List?

                      Last edited by Cash Cow; 05-03-2011, 03:27 PM.

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