Welcome Cotto, even though I don't see the same Cotto like we saw before the Margarito fight.
Ring Magazine: Cotto now officially #10 p4p
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I'm not buying everyone's rankings at the time of these wins, it's far too simplistic of a way to determine someone's true worth as a fighter. I prefer to look at that opponent's status as a fighter (for example, when someone knocks cotto off now they're going to be a million fools talking about how their guy beat a top 10 pfp fighter- when that's a bunch of bullshi t).Kessler was #1 at SMW
Bika was #6 at SWM
Allen Green was top 10
Pound 4 Pound isn't only resume based either, or else Carl Froch would be top 5 for sure. Pound 4 Pound also takes into consideration the skills one has, for example Donaire's high pound 4 pound rankings prior to beating Montiel.
Andre Ward most certainly deserves to be top 10 pound 4 pound, imo.
green has ALWAYS been a mental midget and was never ever a top tier SMW, despite whatever ranking he was. Bika is a limited but very tough come forward guy. It takes as much of an elite talent to beat his as it does librado andrade. kessler was a good win (as I already mentioned).
There's plenty dudes out there with more than one good win on their resumes.
Donaire had a huge win vs a PFP guy already- Vic D. And skills are whatever. that's your opinion, I don't think Ward has looked all that skillful since the Miranda fight. Rough, yes, skillful no.
Best win Kessler does not give you a pfp spot, especially when one of your rivals is mashing out common opponents in a more spectacular fashion and another dude in you weight class has wins over Dirrell, Pascal, JT, and Abe.Comment
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bold- not true, pfp lists are what YOU want them to be. I don't care about skills and ability if they are not being displayed at a high level. If you care more about that, then Bute looks far more impressive in the way he blows through B level comp at 168.He has beaten Kessler Bika and Green along with Miranda who were all rated highly when he beat them and resume isnt everything, skills, ability and potential all come into play when making a p4p list and once again its all subjective
P4P is over rated anyways, fighters need to handle thier buisness in their weight classes and defend their belts more if u ask me
Tho it helps get some good fights made that otherwise wouldnt and makes fighters want to "Shine" everytime out
I could not possibly agree more with the italics. See my post before if you care to get my opinion on those guy's being considered "highly rated" (post 52)Last edited by Walt Liquor; 05-03-2011, 01:40 PM.Comment
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Who cares wot that magazine thinks its very childish we all know who the 2best fighters in the world at the moment are,you can argue it either way and when the settle it(which they will)we 'll know for sure....As much as i respect cotto he dont deserve no top 10 placeComment
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You're looking at resume only. That's not what pound 4 pound is about. It's the opinion of who you think are the top 10 fighters in the world.I'm not buying everyone's rankings at the time of these wins, it's far too simplistic of a way to determine someone's true worth as a fighter. I prefer to look at that opponent's status as a fighter (for example, when someone knocks cotto off now they're going to be a million fools talking about how their guy beat a top 10 pfp fighter- when that's a bunch of bullshi t).
green has ALWAYS been a mental midget and was never ever a top tier SMW, despite whatever ranking he was. Bika is a limited but very tough come forward guy. It takes as much of an elite talent to beat his as it does librado andrade. kessler was a good win (as I already mentioned).
There's plenty dudes out there with more than one good win on their resumes.
Donaire had a huge win vs a PFP guy already- Vic D. And skills are whatever. that's your opinion, I don't think Ward has looked all that skillful since the Miranda fight. Rough, yes, skillful no.
Best win Kessler does not give you a pfp spot, especially when one of your rivals is mashing out common opponents in a more spectacular fashion and another dude in you weight class has wins over Dirrell, Pascal, JT, and Abe.
Ward beat the #1 guy in kessler, that counts for something. That's more than anyone else has done at 168. He's a heavy favorite to beat Abraham next and he's the favorite to win the super six tournament.
Donaire beat Vic but he didn't do much after and yet was ranked #5 and #4 I believe at one point (prior to montiel). Ward is going a similar thing, he beat a top guy and beat a couple decent/good but not great guys since. What the ring, and many others, are doing is placing him in the top 10 based on his wins, his skills, his potential, etc.Comment
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He's been a pro since 2001......
Cong**** to Mr Vacant title winner himself....about damn timeLast edited by Cash Cow; 05-03-2011, 03:13 PM.Comment
Diaz.


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